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    Rand Paul and Chuck Hagel

    Last I heard, he's still "undecided" on Hagel.

    Rand Paul and Chuck Hagel
    http://www.theamericanconservative.c...d-chuck-hagel/

    Jennifer Rubin tells Rand Paul to vote against Hagel:

    Moreover, the senator’s obvious desire to convey pro-Israel credentials will make it difficult for him to vote to confirm. With near-unanimity among Republicans so far against Hagel, Paul may find that his efforts to reposition himself within the GOP on Israel would crumble if he were to support the president’s pick.
    Put more bluntly, Rubin wants to make it clear that Paul’s efforts will be in vain if he chooses to vote for Hagel’s confirmation. That should tell Sen. Paul just how fruitless it is to try to satisfy “pro-Israel” hawks. It isn’t enough for these hawks that a politician supports the current U.S.-Israel relationship. If it were, Hagel would be encountering much less hostility right now. Republican politicians are expected to agree with these hawks on everything, and if they don’t they are viewed with suspicion and distrust. The assault on Hagel is similar to what Paul can expect in the future, and voting against Hagel now will just encourage the hard-liners in his party that he will follow their lead. Presumably, Paul isn’t always going to vote for what the hard-liners want, and now would be a good time to show everyone that he isn’t going to be intimidated by them.

    On matters of policy, Paul is still much closer to Hagel than he is to Hagel’s Republican opponents. Like Hagel, he is skeptical of military action against Iran, and he is also much more willing to consider reductions in military spending than most of his colleagues. Paul has been trying to broaden the meaning of being “pro-Israel” even more than Hagel did. How likely would he be to succeed in that if he votes against Hagel’s confirmation because hard-liners have declared that Hagel’s modest dissents are intolerable? Paul has expressed interest in moving the GOP towards a less aggressive foreign policy, and that begins by not falling in line behind the supporters of the Republican foreign policy status quo.

    When it comes time to vote on Hagel’s nomination, there is something else that Sen. Paul might bear in mind. The campaign to vilify Hagel includes many of the same people who loathe Sen. Paul’s father and everything that his father’s movement represents. If they are willing to trash the reputation of someone like Hagel, they will be more than willing to do the same to Paul in the years to come.
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    I only have 2 words to describe how I feel on this whole debacle.

    America First.

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    Hopefully Rand Paul will meet Hagel and find him an engaging vietnam war veteran and successful businessman and vote to confirm him.

    there really is no hope of anyone better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by itshappening View Post
    Hopefully Rand Paul will meet Hagel and find him an engaging vietnam war veteran and successful businessman and vote to confirm him.

    there really is no hope of anyone better.
    Hagel = CFR + Bilderberg + Deutsche Bank. Why is this even remotely acceptable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by anaconda View Post
    Hagel = CFR + Bilderberg + Deutsche Bank. Why is this even remotely acceptable?
    His votes against No Child Left Behind, Medicare Part D and efforts to defund Iraq war are commendable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by itshappening View Post
    His votes against No Child Left Behind, Medicare Part D and efforts to defund Iraq war are commendable.
    Hitler had nice community works projects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anaconda View Post
    Hitler had nice community works projects.
    Hagel has been nominated as Defense Secretary, not Chancellor of Germany.

    What is your point?

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    Hagel is probably better than anyone we're going to get out of any administration other than a Ron or Rand Paul himself.



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    I don't really mind if he votes to confirm Hagel or not. I can see the merits of either decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by supermario21 View Post
    Hagel is probably better than anyone we're going to get out of any administration other than a Ron or Rand Paul himself.
    Meanwhile back at the ranch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by itshappening View Post
    Hagel has been nominated as Defense Secretary, not Chancellor of Germany.

    What is your point?

    My point is that he is a totally unacceptable globalist stooge. And that one's history of an occasional vote one way or another is typically part of "left" or "right" cover.
    Last edited by anaconda; 01-18-2013 at 06:15 PM.

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    If Rand votes against Hagel because of hagel's Israel statements that will be bad, however if he votes against Hagel because of his bad votes in the past then that is good.
    War; everything in the world wrong, evil and immoral combined into one and multiplied by millions.

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    Rand will vote to confirm Hagel. In fact, he has alluded to the fact that he will be tough on Hagel in the hearings, but in the opposite way of other Republicans. While McCain will press him on Israel BS, Rand will likely press Hagel to expand on his non-intervention views, and what Hagel thinks the future of American foreign policy should be. I think we will learn a lot from Rand's questioning about whether Hagel is truly a step in the right direction or merely another Rumsfeld who will "play ball" with neocons if confirmed.

    Rand saying he is undecided is just his normal posturing. He said he hadn't fully decided about his vote to reauthorize the patriot act days before the bill, and we all know that he voiced the largest opposition of anyone when it came time to vote.
    Last edited by ronaldo23; 01-19-2013 at 12:06 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronaldo23 View Post
    or merely another Rumsfeld who will "play ball" with neocons if confirmed.
    Or a yes man to the Brzezinski/Trilateral Commission clique.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronaldo23 View Post
    Rand will vote to confirm Hagel. In fact, he has alluded to the fact that he will be tough on Hagel in the hearings, but in the opposite way of other Republicans. While McCain will press him on Israel BS, Rand will likely press Hagel to expand on his non-intervention views, and what Hagel thinks the future of American foreign policy should be. I think we will learn a lot from Rand's questioning about whether Hagel is truly a step in the right direction or merely another Rumsfeld who will "play ball" with neocons if confirmed.

    Rand saying he is undecided is just his normal posturing. He said he hadn't fully decided about his vote to reauthorize the patriot act days before the bill, and we all know that he voiced the largest opposition of anyone when it came time to vote.
    Rand isn't on the Senate Armed Services Committee, so I don't think he'll even get a chance to question Hagel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anaconda View Post
    My point is that he is a totally unacceptable globalist stooge. And that one's history of an occasional vote one way or another is typically part of "left" or "right" cover.
    You're ridiculous.



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    Quote Originally Posted by dskalkowski View Post
    You're ridiculous.
    Tell that to all of the innocents whose countries are continually invaded, bombed, and sanctioned, while they themselves are killed, maimed for life, starved, and deprived of medicines.



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