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    Stop the closing of Eustace Conway's "Turtle Island" living history preserve!

    I don't know how many people here know about Eustace Conway and "Turtle Island Preserve." He has been featured in the History Channel show "Mountain Men." "Turtle Island Preserve" is a non-profit education center in the mountains of western N.C.
    It seems the local government feels it would get a larger tax benefit by shutting "Turtle Island" down and allowing developers in.
    The opening salvos in their war came with a raid by a dozen government agencies. All there for the purpose of building "code enforcement."
    This happened on Sept. 19th. He has had to close "Turtle Island" and 'lawyer up."
    He needs help now.
    Petitions will be presented to the Chairman of the North Carolina Building Codes Council on December 10th, so we don’t have much time.

    http://www.theresilientfamily.com/20...s-he-a-threat/

    Who is Eustace Conway and why is he a threat?
    Published by Trey Morrison on November 29, 2012 | 1 Comment
    Folks… This one’s important. Please take the time to read this in its entirety, and if you’re so inclined to take action below. Trey & Coley

    Government should serve the people. Unfortunately, over time the nature of government is to grow beyond its usefulness. It becomes unhealthy and obese.

    When our country was formed it was based on awesome ideals. The flag and the national anthem represented those ideals. So far so good. But over time those ideals slip further and further away until all we are left with is a song, a flag and a government that has lost touch with its fundamental purpose.

    As government continuously increases it’s control over every aspect of our lives we lose more and more of our freedoms.

    What threatens the growth of government?

    Is it the fiscal cliff we are hearing about in the news? Is it the citizen anger over government bailouts? Is it the loss of faith in central planning? How about the debasement of our currency? How about the growing concern over the government trampling our civil liberties? Is it Tea Party or Occupy Wall Street protests?

    No.

    When we’re angry we’re still engaged… We still show up to vote for this candidate or that candidate and expect them to right the ship.

    The real threat to government is when it is ignored. When we turn our backs on it and demonstrate that we no longer need it.

    Like an incorrigible narcissist, government demands our attention. When citizens no longer feel the need to bow in adoration, fear, or submission, government takes great offense.

    But what if that wasn’t the case? What if we learned how to take care of ourselves? To become more self-reliant? More resilient?

    What if we didn’t need government deciding everything for us?

    For government at all levels such thoughts are hugely threatening and when such subversive thinking surfaces government can be swift to react.

    Case in point: Turtle Island Preserve.


    Barn at Turtle Island
    Turtle Island Preserve is a non-profit education center in the mountains of North Carolina run by Eustace Conway, one of the last true “mountain men” in America today.


    Does this look threatening to you?
    Conway has been featured in the Mountain Men series on the History Channel and the book The Last American Man by Elizabeth Gilbert. Turtle Island is where Trey and his son learned how to make fire last summer as he wrote about here.


    Trey and Michael learn to make fire
    Turtle Island Preserve has been a functioning farm and education center for over 26 years. They teach the power of self-reliance and resilience through mastery of traditional skills. They help perserve our cultural heritage.


    Trey's daughter Syd learns to raise a teepee
    It is run by a volunteer labor force and has brought people from around the world to learn the transformational power of self-reliance.


    Michael learning from a mountain man
    On September 19th, nearly a dozen local government agents (many armed) stormed Turtle Island Preserve. The agents barged into Eustace’s living room unannounced, uninvited, and unwelcome. They presented him with a search warrant.

    Government vehicles blocked his private road and agents armed with topographical maps, aerial photographs, laptops and GPS equipment spent most of the day on Eustace’s property violating his privacy and photographing his buildings and homes.

    What prompted such an extreme government response? Simple: Eustace Conway refused to bow before the altar of county government officials.

    The buildings on Conway’s property are constructed using traditional American heritage methods that Conway has kept alive and well. Such methods are apparently “unacceptable” to the county officials.

    According to Conway:

    “…the very building techniques that all of our ancestors thrived with are now being deemed unacceptable and targeted as ‘illegal’ because they don’t fit into the cookie-cutter code status that is so extremely far from what we are about. The buildings and lifestyle of our working farm and education center teach about true American freedom. The invasive attack was a surreal wake-up call to the illusion of the American myth: “Land of the free.”

    The threat Eustace Conway’s Turtle Island Preserve represents has nothing to do with building or health code violations. Those are simply a pretense… What it really has to do with is something government finds threatening:

    Independence, freedom and self reliance.

    And this is exactly what Conway personifies and teaches to others.

    But the story of Turtle Island Preserve gets more interesting…

    The land at Conway’s Turtle Island preserve is becoming more valuable.

    A huge development project called Laurelmor just over the ridge from Conway’s property was slated for golf courses and million dollar, debt-fueled McMansions before the project went bankrupt when the real estate bubble burst in 2008.


    Proposed Laurelmor entrance
    It was later sold for $32 million to a second group of developers.

    When the original Laurelmor plan was proposed, the county manager, in a moment of bureaucratic giddiness, boasted that the project “could add a significant amount to the tax base”, and “could have a property value of between $2.5 and $3.5 billion.”

    The government would make a lot more money if the land was developed.

    Conway is a threat because he represents true independence and freedom, but he’s also being victimized because the valuable land he owns makes the tax feeding class salivate. The first step to gaining control over his land is for local government to issue a litany of penny-ante “code” violations. This is how predatory government often works… Even at the local level.

    Sadly Turtle Island Preserve has now been closed… And Conway has been forced to lawyer up — an exceedingly distasteful prospect for a guy that lives in the woods, shoes his own horses, builds his own house, and grows and kills his own food.

    But we can do something about it.

    Please go to Change.org now and sign the petition in support of Turtle Island Preserve.

    Petitions will be presented to the Chairman of the North Carolina Building Codes Council on December 10th, so we don’t have much time.

    You can also stay up-to-date on the situation through the Turtle Island Preserve page on Facebook.

    While you’re at it, call the Watauga County Planning & Inspections Department (828-265-8043) and the Appalachian District Health Department (828.264.4995) and let them know exactly what you think of their shenanigans.

    And be sure to forward this story to as many friends and colleagues as possible.

    Folks like Eustace Conway are a rare treasure because they represent what freedom, liberty and self-reliance are all about.

    Take five minutes and make your voice heard… It will make a difference.

    Up to "code?" Of course $#@!ing not. It exceeds many modern building codes. It is a living history preserve..

    Last edited by phill4paul; 11-30-2012 at 02:03 PM.



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    Petitioning Chairman, North Carolina Building Codes Council
    North Carolina Building Codes Council: Alter NC building codes to exempt structures at Turtle Island Preserve.


    Petition by
    Turtle Island Preserve
    Boone, NC

    Dear Friends of Turtle Island Preserve,

    Turtle Island Preserve is in danger. Please read this letter, and, if you feel moved to do so, carefully follow the suggestions for support provided at the end.

    Recently, local county government authorities have targeted Turtle Island Preserve, attacking our way of life, and forcing our educational camp to close to visitors.

    On the morning of September 19th, eleven county officials (being paid by tax payers) barged into our living room unannounced, uninvited, and unwelcome. A large caravan of county vehicles blocked our private road, miles away from any public area. The men (some armed) presented a search warrant two and half miles into the interior of our private land, a most intimate zone of refuge where we do not even take visitors, and then spent the next half of the day violating our privacy and photographing our buildings and personal homes. The unwanted invasion team came prepared with topographic maps, aerial photographs, GPS equipment to discern coordinates, laptops, pages of highlighted photographs of unknown origins, and even a county 4-wheeler to more easily get around the property. Much time and tax-payer money had clearly been spent preparing for this deployment against our 501c3 non-profit education center.



    The primary focus of this action centers on our buildings and construction methods. The American heritage buildings that we keep alive and teach about are “unacceptable” in today’s modern world. The very building techniques and materials that all of our ancestors thrived with are now being deemed unacceptable and targeted as illegal because they don’t fit into the cookie-cutter code status that is so extremely far from what we are about. The buildings and lifestyle of our working farm and education center teach about true American freedom. The invasive attack was a surreal wake-up call to the illusion of the American myth: “Land of the free.”



    Those of you who have visited Turtle Island Preserve know that our structures are unique in that they are built with materials harvested here on the farm and adhere to natural and historical methods. Our buildings are unquestionably structurally sound, but do not fit the wording or application of modern building codes, as the methods used to build them predate the conception of modern building codes. The veteran, licensed engineer we hired to assess the structural concerns expressed by the county stated that our buildings are “Better than code.” If modern, cookie-cutter buildings fit our purposes or needs, we would have built them. But they certainly do not.

    To comply with current, modern building codes and regulations, with no variance or allowance for natural, traditional, historical, cultural or educational models, is at the very least a compromise to our integrity, our mission, and our value to the community and the world. If we were forced to function like every other public facility, the values, ethics, and practical knowledge we teach would be lost. Trying to force a modern framework around a facility that is specifically designed to be primitive does not make sense. The methods we teach go back tens of thousands of years. The modern building codes go back only 40-50 years.



    For the past twenty-six years, Turtle Island Preserve has been a functioning farm and education center for primitive skills, cultural heritage, and traditional/natural living. We are run by volunteer laborers and administrators, good citizens who believe in the worth of volunteering their time to share natural traditional living in hopes of making life for people more meaningful and our impact on the earth a gentler footprint. Our non-profit education center has brought thousands of people from all over the world, of all ages, faiths, and socio-economic backgrounds and enabled them to develop a personal relationship with the natural world. In many cases, these are people (usually children) who would not have the opportunity to gain that experience elsewhere. What they get here, they keep forever.



    Eustace Conway, full-time volunteer director of Turtle Island Preserve for the past 26 years, now faces the threat of criminal charges. That’s right, for dedicating his life to celebrating and preserving American cultural heritage, his American government is condemning his interest in exercising what he believes is an inalienable human right to build and live in the traditions of our ancestors. He said, “If this was a joke or something out of a science fiction novel about corrupt government control, maybe I could laugh about it… but it is very, unbelievably, maliciously true… and I can only cry about it, and ask for the voice of friends to support me and citizens that care about the ‘American Dream’ of freedom to speak up for their rights and interests now.”



    Our recent studies show us that there may be no variance for any private, state, or federal interpretation sites that exhibit natural/primitive historic structures or practices. The recent attack on our home and lifeways makes us question the confines of our state building and county codes on our most fundamental freedoms of American heritage, Appalachian regional culture, and a three million year precedent of inalienable human rights concerning structures and living.



    We are working with legal counsel and structural engineers to present a clear and thorough assessment of our structures, practices, and mission to authorities who are not personally familiar with Turtle Island Preserve. We have drawn up a petition and begun a letter writing campaign, all of which we’ll present to the North Carolina Building Codes Council on December 10, 2012 in the hopes of educating the council about the unique importance of Turtle Island Preserve and securing a variance for our continued operation without sacrificing our integrity and commitment to historic structures and natural lifestyle.



    We need your help in raising a voice. This matter will not be resolved positively without your support. Please help support Turtle Island Preserve by taking the following steps:



    1. Sign the petition at www.change.org.



    2. Join the letter writing campaign! Write your own letter in support of Turtle Island Preserve, or use the attached letter – just print, sign, and send to the Chairman of the North Carolina Building Codes Council. Either way, be sure to send us a copy of your letter, too.



    It is impossible to overstate how important your swift support is to the future of Turtle Island Preserve. With the North Carolina Building Codes Council meeting just three weeks away, we need all the voices we can get, and as quickly as possible. Please set aside a few minutes to sign the petition, send a letter, and stand with us as we work to save Turtle Island Preserve.



    Keep checking Facebook for updates, and for more information on the Building Codes Council meeting or if you have any questions at all, please email mail@turtleislandpreserve.com or call our office at 828-265-2267.



    In appreciation,



    The Staff and Community Members of Turtle Island Preserve

    Addresses:

    NC Building Codes Council

    Dan Tingen, Chairman

    322 Chapanoke Dr.

    Raleigh, NC 27603



    Turtle Island Preserve

    2683 Little Laurel Road

    Boone, NC 28607


    http://www.change.org/petitions/nort...sland-preserve

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    This would get more exposure in the General Politics forum than buried in the NC subforum.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    This would get more exposure in the General Politics forum than buried in the NC subforum.

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...his-is-a-start.

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    Oh you naughty cross-poster.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Oh you naughty cross-poster.
    Lol. Guilty as charged.

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    Bump
    Based on the idea of natural rights, government secures those rights to the individual by strictly negative intervention, making justice costless and easy of access; and beyond that it does not go. The State, on the other hand, both in its genesis and by its primary intention, is purely anti-social. It is not based on the idea of natural rights, but on the idea that the individual has no rights except those that the State may provisionally grant him. It has always made justice costly and difficult of access, and has invariably held itself above justice and common morality whenever it could advantage itself by so doing.
    --Albert J. Nock



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