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  1. #151
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Wrong again.

    Please take the time to read this.


    That is simple, plain English.. easy to understand.

    More good reading here,
    http://www.constitution.org/lrev/roots/cops.htm
    But upon probable cause. A phrase undefined and left for anybody in power to interpret.



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  3. #152
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    NO, It is NOT

    Cops should not even exist.
    there should be no case TO START WITH.
    Agreed! I'm tired of people stopping me from getting what I want.



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  5. #153
    Quote Originally Posted by Tpoints View Post
    But upon probable cause. A phrase undefined and left for anybody in power to interpret.
    NO it isn't.

    "and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. "

    A warrant should only be issued upon probable cause,, Supported by oath and Particularly describing.

    but aside from all that, it is not even within the jurisdiction of the US.

    That gets into the whole 6th amendment.
    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
    You see,, First you have to have an actual crime,, and an exact place that this crime took place,, and on and on and,,,,

    A server located in another country is of NO CONCERN of US courts.

    Period
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    It's all about Freedom

  6. #154
    Quote Originally Posted by itshappening View Post
    No, everyone under 30 doesn't think it's total bull$#@! and recognize the economic significance of protecting works for a period of time.
    Many of them DO recognize the economic significance, they realize it is holding us back immensely. No person or corporation would be dumb enough to hold back an invention that would be valuable to society in fear that somebody else might take their idea, because the sooner they produce it the more THEY get the head start!! By holding it back, they get nothing if somebody else thinks of it and develops it. But just because they develop it doesn't mean they get to have monopoly rights, that is ludicrous. Not only do you have the cost to society of a monopoly producer making monopoly prices, but you have an artificially low supply being produced which also increases prices even more. Then you have the costs of paying lawyers and government to enforce all this stuff and so we gotta pay more taxes and pay to shut down producers who would be benefiting society by producing these goods.
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  7. #155
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    NO, It is NOT

    Cops should not even exist.
    there should be no case TO START WITH.

    Has anyone been killed?
    Has anyone been raped?
    Has anyone been assaulted?
    Has any real property (Tangible) been stolen?

    By this service provider? What evidence exactly , and it is located where exactly?

    Get a warrant to look for the specific evidence .

    Beyond that,, Leave them the $#@! alone.
    The Works are protected by the U.S constitution, the case against Kim has gone to a judge who seized his domain and there is a pending extradition request. I am sure the DoJ are in compliance with the law and rights holders have a reasonable expectation that their constitutional rights are upheld by the administration.

    Indeed, probably the only decent thing that Obama administration might do in the next 4 years is have Kim incarcerated in a Federal prison for a very long time.

  8. #156
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Many of them DO recognize the economic significance, they realize it is holding us back immensely. No person or corporation would be dumb enough to hold back an invention that would be valuable to society in fear that somebody else might take their idea, because the sooner they produce it the more THEY get the head start!! By holding it back, they get nothing if somebody else thinks of it and develops it. But just because they develop it doesn't mean they get to have monopoly rights, that is ludicrous. Not only do you have the cost to society of a monopoly producer making monopoly prices, but you have an artificially low supply being produced which also increases prices even more. Then you have the costs of paying lawyers and government to enforce all this stuff and so we gotta pay more taxes and pay to shut down producers who would be benefiting society by producing these goods.
    If you feel so strongly about it then campaign to have the constitution amended....

    In the mean time the rights holders have a reasonable expectation that their constitutional rights are upheld and yes Kim has a reasonable expectation of due process of law which is what he will get once he's in a Federal courthouse.

  9. #157
    Also the dude is planning to bribe New Zealand by paying for a second fibre optic ocean cable which we sorely need.

    If he takes down the Internet monopoly he will be *extremely* popular.
    In New Zealand:
    The Coastguard is a Charity
    Air Traffic Control is a private company run on user fees
    The DMV is a private non-profit
    Rescue helicopters and ambulances are operated by charities and are plastered with corporate logos
    The agriculture industry has zero subsidies
    5% of the national vote, gets you 5 seats in Parliament
    A tax return has 4 fields
    Business licenses aren't a thing
    Prostitution is legal
    We have a constitutional right to refuse any type of medical care

  10. #158
    Wait is he an American? You talk about the constitution in regards like he is? As far as I know he is not and never has been so what the $#@! are we talking about? The only involvement the DOJ should have in this is users on our side of the pond.

  11. #159
    Quote Originally Posted by itshappening View Post
    The Works are protected by the U.S constitution, the case against Kim has gone to a judge who seized his domain and there is a pending extradition request. I am sure the DoJ are in compliance with the law and rights holders have a reasonable expectation that their constitutional rights are upheld by the administration.

    Indeed, probably the only decent thing that Obama administration might do in the next 4 years is have Kim incarcerated in a Federal prison for a very long time.
    Yep. You're so sure of the righteousness of your cause that you chose to leave it completely out of your initial post in this thread and instead harp on made up allegations of child porn because it could "potentially" be on the new encrypted servers. Meanwhile for the rest of us who have been thinking "Yeah...that cloud storage thing looks tempting....but it would suck if the host could ignore the privacy policy whenever it wants and look at our private data or worse, give it to the government" what Kim is doing is a godsend. I only hope the rest of the cloud storage industry follows suit.
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  12. #160
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    NO it isn't.

    A warrant should only be issued upon probable cause,, Supported by oath and Particularly describing.
    I believe this meant (please correct me), that the WARRANT has to be supported by oath and description, but the cause is undefined and unrestricted.



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  14. #161
    Quote Originally Posted by itshappening View Post
    Indeed, probably the only decent thing that Obama administration might do in the next 4 years is have Kim incarcerated in a Federal prison for a very long time.
    Are you on the right board?

  15. #162
    Quote Originally Posted by idiom View Post
    Also the dude is planning to bribe New Zealand by paying for a second fibre optic ocean cable which we sorely need.

    If he takes down the Internet monopoly he will be *extremely* popular.
    only to 5 million people though.

  16. #163
    Quote Originally Posted by Ranger29860 View Post
    Wait is he an American? You talk about the constitution in regards like he is? As far as I know he is not and never has been so what the $#@! are we talking about? The only involvement the DOJ should have in this is users on our side of the pond.
    America has an extradition treaty with New Zealand signed in 1970.

  17. #164
    Quote Originally Posted by Tpoints View Post
    Are you on the right board?
    Yes, I am.

    Rights holders want their constitutional protections upheld and the DoJ is doing that by pursuing one of the biggest infringers on the planet.

  18. #165
    Quote Originally Posted by itshappening View Post
    Yes, I am.

    Rights holders want their constitutional protections upheld and the DoJ is doing that by pursuing one of the biggest infringers on the planet.
    I disagree! You are NOT on the right board. You are a corporate fascist. A neocon. You are NOT one of us.

    Please leave!

    -t

  19. #166
    Quote Originally Posted by tangent4ronpaul View Post
    I disagree! You are NOT on the right board. You are a corporate fascist. A neocon. You are NOT one of us.

    Please leave!

    -t
    Constitutionalist.

    Article I, Section 8, Clause 8 of the United States Constitution, known as the Copyright Clause, empowers the United States Congress:

    To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.

  20. #167
    Yawners...

    "FOR A LIMITED TIME" - Which Congress has TOTALLY $#@!ED UP!

    Please leave!

    -t

  21. #168
    Quote Originally Posted by tangent4ronpaul View Post
    Yawners...

    "FOR A LIMITED TIME" - Which Congress has TOTALLY $#@!ED UP!

    Please leave!

    -t
    So am I officially a neocon for agreeing with the language in article I section 8 clause 8?

    Is that fascist?



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  23. #169
    In your dreams

    You are clearly not one of us. You would find much better company at Red State or another neocon board. Please leave our company. Our community. You just do not fit in!

    -t
    Last edited by tangent4ronpaul; 01-21-2013 at 07:05 PM.

  24. #170
    Quote Originally Posted by itshappening View Post

    To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.
    Copyright..
    Is Kim.com reproducing and selling products under it's own name?

    I am guessing NO.

    It is not a copyright issue.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  25. #171
    Quote Originally Posted by itshappening View Post

    To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.
    Copyright..
    Is Kim.com reproducing and selling products under it's own name?

    I am guessing NO.

    It is not a copyright issue.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  26. #172
    Quote Originally Posted by itshappening View Post

    Is that fascist?
    I never called you a Fascist. However,,
    Quote Originally Posted by itshappening View Post
    America has an extradition treaty with New Zealand signed in 1970.
    Authoritarian.
    adjective
    1.
    favoring complete obedience or subjection to authority as opposed to individual freedom: authoritarian principles; authoritarian attitudes.
    2.
    of or pertaining to a governmental or political system, principle, or practice in which individual freedom is held as completely subordinate to the power or authority of the state, centered either in one person or a small group that is not constitutionally accountable to the people.

    noun
    4.
    a person who favors or acts according to authoritarian principles.
    The polar opposite of Dr Paul's known and stated positions.

    Just sayin'
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  27. #173
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Copyright..
    Is Kim.com reproducing and selling products under it's own name?

    I am guessing NO.

    It is not a copyright issue.
    Selling the product under a false name, incorrect attribute is not copyright infringement, or at least not exclusively, usually that is plagiarsim (which is actually not illegal), fraud, and trademark infringement. To violate copyright, you only need to make unauthorized copies not exempt under fair use (regardless of whether you profited).

  28. #174
    I love New Zealand. I just got a lb. of grassfed wagyu ground beef from New Zealand, that's related to the kobe beef from Japan. It was cheaper than the 'organic' grass fed regular beef at the same store, go figure. I don't like importing meat, but New Zealand apparently has a lot of extra grass fed meat, we aren't making enough here so prices are relatively high. Damn did it make a tasty burger, lots of fat, and the good grassfed kind.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  29. #175
    Quote Originally Posted by Tpoints View Post
    Selling the product under a false name, incorrect attribute is not copyright infringement, or at least not exclusively, usually that is plagiarsim (which is actually not illegal), fraud, and trademark infringement. To violate copyright, you only need to make unauthorized copies not exempt under fair use (regardless of whether you profited).
    Fair Use you say.

    So,, I have some music that I bought. (paid for and own a disk/tape)
    You are saying that I can not play it for a friend? I can not share that which I own?
    Can I sell the disk,, as used? What about a book? can I sell used books?
    Can I give them away?

    I understand the use and benefits of copyright and of patents,, but firmly believe present laws have gone far beyond original protections and all related law needs serious reevaluation.
    Last edited by pcosmar; 01-21-2013 at 08:54 PM.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  30. #176
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Fair Use you say.

    So,, I have some music that I bought. (paid for and own a disk/tape)
    You are saying that I can not play it for a friend? I can not share that which I own?
    Nope, you definitely can play it to A friend. Not sure what you mean by share, there are many ways you are able and willing to "share", not all of which are legal or authorized.

    Can I sell the disk,, as used? What about a book? can I sell used books?
    Can I give them away?
    Yes to all, all of which are all authorized. It's called first sale doctrine (or exhaustion). Are you playing dumb? Or do you actually not know the difference between transferring posession of an authorized copy with making an unauthorized copy? (Note, playing it at a friend's house is different than playing it on a radio, public place) We're talking about creative works, from books to music to movies. This is entirely different than software, when it's explicitly licensed for use, and never sold to the user. You have to explicitly agreed not to re-use, resell, make copies and all that good stuff.

    I understand the use and benefits of copyright and of patents,, but firmly believe present laws have gone far beyond original protections and all related law needs serious reevaluation.
    No disagreement there.
    Last edited by Tpoints; 01-21-2013 at 10:31 PM.



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  32. #177
    If your buy a copy of a work and it won't play properly, if you do anything to 'help' it play you will pretty much be in serious violation of the DCMA.

    God forbid you want to transfer a book or song that you purchased from one machine that you own to another machine that you own for your personal use. That stopped being fair use about 20 years ago.

    Putting multiple songs onto a CDR so you can listen to them in your car? You are personally destroying the music industry and should rot in jail.
    In New Zealand:
    The Coastguard is a Charity
    Air Traffic Control is a private company run on user fees
    The DMV is a private non-profit
    Rescue helicopters and ambulances are operated by charities and are plastered with corporate logos
    The agriculture industry has zero subsidies
    5% of the national vote, gets you 5 seats in Parliament
    A tax return has 4 fields
    Business licenses aren't a thing
    Prostitution is legal
    We have a constitutional right to refuse any type of medical care

  33. #178
    If your buy a copy of a work and it won't play properly, if you do anything to 'help' it play you will pretty much be in serious violation of the DCMA.

    God forbid you want to transfer a book or song that you purchased from one machine that you own to another machine that you own for your personal use. That stopped being fair use about 20 years ago.

    Putting multiple songs onto a CDR so you can listen to them in your car? You are personally destroying the music industry and should rot in jail.
    In New Zealand:
    The Coastguard is a Charity
    Air Traffic Control is a private company run on user fees
    The DMV is a private non-profit
    Rescue helicopters and ambulances are operated by charities and are plastered with corporate logos
    The agriculture industry has zero subsidies
    5% of the national vote, gets you 5 seats in Parliament
    A tax return has 4 fields
    Business licenses aren't a thing
    Prostitution is legal
    We have a constitutional right to refuse any type of medical care

  34. #179
    Quote Originally Posted by idiom View Post
    If your buy a copy of a work and it won't play properly, if you do anything to 'help' it play you will pretty much be in serious violation of the DCMA.

    God forbid you want to transfer a book or song that you purchased from one machine that you own to another machine that you own for your personal use. That stopped being fair use about 20 years ago.

    Putting multiple songs onto a CDR so you can listen to them in your car? You are personally destroying the music industry and should rot in jail.
    citation?

  35. #180
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    I never called you a Fascist. However,,


    Authoritarian.


    The polar opposite of Dr Paul's known and stated positions.

    Just sayin'
    I don't think it's authoritarian to want Kim brought to justice.

    Rights holders, artists, producers and software engineers pay a lot of money in tax to the Feds so what's wrong with getting them to enforce the law? If it means activating a legally entered in to treaty with the govt of New Zealand then so be it. All they're asking for the Feds to pursue it through the proper and correct channels. If there's a case to answer then he will have his day in court.

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