Kim Dotcom to launch mega.co.nz on Sunday

[jmdrake]

Bottom line is this. This sounds like good and useful technology. One of the things that makes me really nervous about cloud storage is that despite "privacy policies" there's nothing stopping some company from snooping around in your data stored on their server or knuckling in under a "national security letter". That said, I don't know how much I can trust "Kim Dotcom" either. I need to learn more about this browser based encryption and make sure he's not just blowing smoke.

[kcchiefs6465]

Bottom line is this. This sounds like good and useful technology. One of the things that makes me really nervous about cloud storage is that despite "privacy policies" there's nothing stopping some company from snooping around in your data stored on their server or knuckling in under a "national security letter". That said, I don't know how much I can trust "Kim Dotcom" either. I need to learn more about this browser based encryption and make sure he's not just blowing smoke.

I trust it because of Kim Dotcom. Man's made one hell of reputation. Your NSL concerns are probably very real though. Meh, I'll try it out.

[kcchiefs6465]

Bottom line is this. This sounds like good and useful technology. One of the things that makes me really nervous about cloud storage is that despite "privacy policies" there's nothing stopping some company from snooping around in your data stored on their server or knuckling in under a "national security letter". That said, I don't know how much I can trust "Kim Dotcom" either. I need to learn more about this browser based encryption and make sure he's not just blowing smoke.

I trust it because of Kim Dotcom. Man's made one hell of reputation. Your NSL concerns are probably very real though. Meh, I'll try it out.

[cero]

I'm sure the New Zealand government are going to be delighted that they're going to be the center of promoting pedophile, rape, bestiality and incest pictures and movies. I'm sure that's just the image they want to portray to the world.

says the guy who's nick initially originated from a pedo/rape/bestiality picture image board.
oh the irony.

[itshappening]

I trust it because of Kim Dotcom. Man's made one hell of reputation. Your NSL concerns are probably very real though. Meh, I'll try it out.

Yes, his reputation is of a thief and a criminal with at least one conviction so far. Hell of a guy.

[itshappening]

Initially it was your only argument. Again your own words.


Originally Posted by itshappening
I'm sure the New Zealand government are going to be delighted that they're going to be the center of promoting pedophile, rape, bestiality and incest pictures and movies. I'm sure that's just the image they want to portray to the world.



Actually, so far you've produced zero evidence that the new Mega site violates New Zealand law in any way, shape or form. I'm betting that it doesn't. I'm betting that he spend a least a million on lawyers to scour New Zealand law and make sure that the new site fits into NZ's safe harbor provision. I bet you understand this to which is why you went with the child porn red herring.

Firstly it doesn't matter about NZ laws with regards to a domain name such as megaupload.com the administration of which is licensed to Network Solutions based in Virginia and covered by US statue and the constitution protecting works.

Secondly there is an extradition hearing in August regarding the DoJ request relating to Kim Dotcom so that is when it will be tested as a valid request or not.

[kcchiefs6465]

Firstly it doesn't matter about NZ laws with regards to a domain name such as megaupload.com the administration of which is licensed to Network Solutions based in Virginia and covered by US statue and the constitution protecting works.

Secondly there is an extradition hearing in August regarding the DoJ request relating to Kim Dotcom so that is when it will be tested as a valid request or not.

Luckily for him, he lives in the freest country in the world. NZ is never going to send him the US. I would never step foot out of that country if I were him. Other puppets might not be so 'civil.'

[itshappening]

Good! - than we all understand it's a straw man argument and total BS!



Interesting... OK, so you kinda get that shoving US and International "club" laws down the throats of nations that never joined the club or agreed to anything like this might, possibly, be a REALLY BAD THING!!!!



"victims". As far as I can tell, the segment of the population that is most DEVASTATED by these asinine laws are US teenagers who engage is "sexting".

-t

When Kim registered megaupload.com he agreed to abide by the terms of conditions of the registrar and that's ultimately administered by Network Solutions of Virginia, subject to US laws hence why it was seized.

Regarding the international "club" of laws, that is a treaty between the US and the New Zealand government and subject to due process of law (proceedings are on going).

Treaties between nations are authorized under the constitution Article II, Section 2 subject to a supermajority vote in the United States Senate, of which one was signed on January 12, 1970.

[jmdrake]

Firstly it doesn't matter about NZ laws with regards to a domain name such as megaupload.com the administration of which is licensed to Network Solutions based in Virginia and covered by US statue and the constitution protecting works.

What does ^that have to do with this? Actually, so far you've produced zero evidence that the new Mega site violates New Zealand law in any way, shape or form. I'm betting that it doesn't. I'm betting that he spend a least a million on lawyers to scour New Zealand law and make sure that the new site fits into NZ's safe harbor provision. I bet you understand this to which is why you went with the child porn red herring.

Also your initial post was 100% about child porn and bestiality. The sooner you are willing to honestly come to terms with that the better.

Secondly there is an extradition hearing in August regarding the DoJ request relating to Kim Dotcom so that is when it will be tested as a valid request or not.

Again, that has nothing to do with whether his new website falls within NZ law or not and it's the new website specifically that you were criticizing with regards to the "haven for child porn" garbage you were spewing.

[itshappening]

Luckily for him, he lives in the freest country in the world. NZ is never going to send him the US. I would never step foot out of that country if I were him. Other puppets might not be so 'civil.'

How do you know they're "never" going to send him to the U.S? My bet and indeed hope is that they get fed up and embarrassed by him that do send him to the U.S for trial of copyright infringement.

[jmdrake]

How do you know they're "never" going to send him to the U.S? My bet and indeed hope is that they get fed up and embarrassed by him that do send him to the U.S for trial of copyright infringement.

And that's why you attempted to slander him with unfounded accusations of facilitating child porn?

[itshappening]

What does ^that have to do with this? Actually, so far you've produced zero evidence that the new Mega site violates New Zealand law in any way, shape or form. I'm betting that it doesn't. I'm betting that he spend a least a million on lawyers to scour New Zealand law and make sure that the new site fits into NZ's safe harbor provision. I bet you understand this to which is why you went with the child porn red herring.

Also your initial post was 100% about child porn and bestiality. The sooner you are willing to honestly come to terms with that the better.



Again, that has nothing to do with whether his new website falls within NZ law or not and it's the new website specifically that you were criticizing with regards to the "haven for child porn" garbage you were spewing.

The "new" website and service hasn't been up very long to ascertain to rights holders whether it's objectionable or not.

The "old" website and service certainly was and hence the United States and its Department of Justice is currently seeking his extradition where he be tried for the crimes he has been accused of.

As I have stated many, many times and in many posts my objection to Mega rests not just solely on the possibility it can be used for child porn and other illegal content but also infringing content and protected Works under the U.S constitution.

I don't know how many times I have to repeat this. Just because I make one point and one objection in one post does not mean I have no other objections or arguments in relation to the service on other grounds.

[jmdrake]

The "new" website and service hasn't been up very long to ascertain to rights holders whether it's objectionable or not.

The "old" website and service certainly was and hence the United States and its Department of Justice is currently seeking his extradition where he be tried for the crimes he has been accused of.

As I have stated many, many times and in many posts my objection to Mega rests not just solely on the possibility it can be used for child porn and other illegal content but also infringing content and protected Works under the U.S constitution.

I don't know how many times I have to repeat this, just because I make one point and one objection in one post does not mean I have no other objections or arguments in relation to the service.

Solely? You haven't produced any evidence of that claim at all! Evidence to the contrary has been produced. And your initial point was all about child porn and bestiality. I don't know how many times you will continue to be dishonest about that.

[itshappening]

Solely? You haven't produced any evidence of that claim at all! Evidence to the contrary has been produced. And your initial point was all about child porn and bestiality. I don't know how many times you will continue to be dishonest about that.

It's not up to me to collect and detail the evidence, that's up to law enforcement of which I do not belong.

I have been pointing out what the service COULD be used for and PROBABLY will be used for.

[jmdrake]

It's not up to me to collect and detail the evidence, that's up to law enforcement of which I do not belong.

I have been pointing out what the service COULD be used for and PROBABLY will be used for.

So you were talking about the new site? So you were blowing smoke when you said The "new" website and service hasn't been up very long to ascertain to rights holders whether it's objectionable or not. ? Yeah, I knew that already. I didn't think you would admit that so quickly though.

[itshappening]

So you were talking about the new site? So you were blowing smoke when you said The "new" website and service hasn't been up very long to ascertain to rights holders whether it's objectionable or not. ? Yeah, I knew that already. I didn't think you would admit that so quickly though.

I've posted that the new site could become a haven for illegal and infringing content, just like the old site.

So what?

One poster himself admitted that it had contained illegal content when he said Kim and his organization does everything he can to deal with it when he was notified.

So yes, the old site probably did contain plenty of illegal content... enough to notify Kim of its existence and for him to have to "deal" with it.

[kcchiefs6465]

Yes, his reputation is of a thief and a criminal with at least one conviction so far. Hell of a guy.

His reputation is as a trailblazer and an entrepreneur. There is no need to slander his name with unfounded assumptions and decades old convictions. I don't know why you personally hate the man so much. It doesn't seem to be about your perceived 'justice' needing to be done. You seem oddly against the man. (As if he wronged you personally) We have already had a pretty circular discussion of this in another thread. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Kim Dotcom deserves every damn penny he made. He had a good business model and quite frankly I wish I would have thought of it first. His flamboyant attitude is also a good gimmick. Free publicity and all. Good product=good return. (At least it should, anyways) Simple markets.

[pcosmar]

what about pedo's ?

What about it.
I honestly suspect it is produced and promoted mostly by Government and Government Officials as another level of Control. (blackmail)

all in all it is a very small part of the "porn industry",, and a smaller part of file sharing.

Most of it is likely out their as bait.

[presence]

They facilitate it and are complicit. That's why Mega got shut down in the first place.

Just being a provider is no excuse for knowingly hosting terrabytes of child porn on your servers.

You're so off base bro. This is like calling for gun manufacturers to be complicit when someone commits a murder.

Is "bushmaster, inc." responsible for Aurora, CO?

[tangent4ronpaul]

says the guy who's nick initially originated from a pedo/rape/bestiality picture image board.
oh the irony.

REALLY???? - So are you saying this guy is a FED trying to entrap people? Can you document that?

-t

[pcosmar]

It's not up to me to collect and detail the evidence, that's up to law enforcement of which I do not belong.

Wrong again.

Please take the time to read this.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated,

and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

That is simple, plain English.. easy to understand.

More good reading here,
http://www.constitution.org/lrev/roots/cops.htm

[mport1]

Excellent. May "intellectual property" go into the dustbin of history along with other terrible ideas.

[itshappening]

Excellent. May "intellectual property" go into the dustbin of history along with other terrible ideas.

Unlikely, its been protected by the U.S constitution and the courts for 230 years

[dannno]

Unlikely, its been protected by the U.S constitution and the courts for 230 years

Ya but everybody under 30 knows it's total bull$#@! they just don't know why.

Libertarians know why, because intellectual property doesn't actually exist. It is literally a figment of your imagination.

[itshappening]

Wrong again.

Please take the time to read this.


That is simple, plain English.. easy to understand.

More good reading here,
http://www.constitution.org/lrev/roots/cops.htm

What's your point?

It's up to the cops to build their case against Kim Dotcom, not itshappening

[itshappening]

Ya but everybody under 30 knows it's total bull$#@! they just don't know why.

Libertarians know why, because intellectual property doesn't actually exist. It is literally a figment of your imagination.

No, everyone under 30 doesn't think it's total bull$#@! and recognize the economic significance of protecting works for a period of time.

[pcosmar]

What's your point?

It's up to the cops to build their case against Kim Dotcom,

NO, It is NOT

Cops should not even exist.
there should be no case TO START WITH.

Has anyone been killed?
Has anyone been raped?
Has anyone been assaulted?
Has any real property (Tangible) been stolen?

By this service provider? What evidence exactly , and it is located where exactly?

Get a warrant to look for the specific evidence .

Beyond that,, Leave them the $#@! alone.

[jmdrake]

I've posted that the new site could become a haven for illegal and infringing content, just like the old site.

So what?

One poster himself admitted that it had contained illegal content when he said Kim and his organization does everything he can to deal with it when he was notified.

So yes, the old site probably did contain plenty of illegal content... enough to notify Kim of its existence and for him to have to "deal" with it.

There isn't a file sharing site open to the public with any kind of exposure or size that hasn't had to "deal with" some kind of content that's illegal somewhere in the world. Total red herring.

[jmdrake]

They facilitate it and are complicit. That's why Mega got shut down in the first place.

Just being a provider is no excuse for knowingly hosting terrabytes of child porn on your servers.

For the record, this kind of doublespeak is getting old. You admit that Kim isn't "knowingly hosting" any child porn on his site, but then you accuse him on the sly of "knowingly hosting terrabytes" of child porn. Big Brother would be proud.

[jmdrake]

What's your point?

It's up to the cops to build their case against Kim Dotcom, not itshappening

Yeah. Your just is just to slander people on net forums in order to embarrass governments to go along with extradition orders.