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  1. #181

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    It's called first sale doctrine
    "First sale doctrine" as it is currently being pushed means that any book, song or movie you purchase does not belong to you. Should you choose to sell it, the people that own your "property" want another cut. It's like buying land and a house. You don't own it. You pay rent on it to the government.

    I might have gotten that backwards...

    FUCK THAT!

    -t
    Public education is not education ... it is schooling.
    Our military is not defense ... it is warmongering and empire building.
    Government police do not protect ... they control.
    Regulations do not regulate ... they protect the status quo.
    Government banks do not distribute money based on effort ... it is gifted to close friends ... and some of it trickles down.

    The result is war, poverty, fear, chaos, and hopelessness for most people with abundance for a few elite.
    -Travlyr



  • #182

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    Quote Originally Posted by tangent4ronpaul View Post
    "First sale doctrine" as it is currently being pushed means that any book, song or movie you purchase does not belong to you.
    No, not yet. I'm sure people who benefit are trying, but it's not held that way yet. Also, the only time it becomes a real question is when there's a parrelelt import problem.

    Should you choose to sell it, the people that own your "property" want another cut. It's like buying land and a house. You don't own it. You pay rent on it to the government.

    I might have gotten that backwards...

    FUCK THAT!

    -t
    If laws change, you're more likely than not, to have a warning, in which case you are free to stop purchasing. However, pirating will most likely still be illegal.

    First of all, paying for something doesn't always equate to buying. Secondly, if you didn't buy something, you can't complain. Thirdly, copyright and non-exhaustion questions don't send money to the government, though it takes it from the user/consumer, so it might not matter to him who takes his money.
    Last edited by Tpoints; 01-23-2013 at 05:28 PM.

  • #183

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    Quote Originally Posted by itshappening View Post
    I don't think it's authoritarian to want Kim brought to justice.
    But that's just like your opinion, man

  • #184

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    OK, but there was a bill introduced (maybe passed) in recent memory that said the seller owned to rights to the product so had to be paid again is sold used. It only applied to things that were imported, so basically all electronics, most cars, etc.

    -t
    Public education is not education ... it is schooling.
    Our military is not defense ... it is warmongering and empire building.
    Government police do not protect ... they control.
    Regulations do not regulate ... they protect the status quo.
    Government banks do not distribute money based on effort ... it is gifted to close friends ... and some of it trickles down.

    The result is war, poverty, fear, chaos, and hopelessness for most people with abundance for a few elite.
    -Travlyr

  • #185

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    Quote Originally Posted by tangent4ronpaul View Post
    OK, but there was a bill introduced (maybe passed) in recent memory that said the seller owned to rights to the product so had to be paid again is sold used. It only applied to things that were imported, so basically all electronics, most cars, etc.

    -t
    exactly! that becomes an import question, not an IP question.

  • #186

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    MEGA Launch Press Conference

    this was otherwise available in 6 parts. Definitive answers to some issues brought up in this thread start about half way through.



    -t
    Public education is not education ... it is schooling.
    Our military is not defense ... it is warmongering and empire building.
    Government police do not protect ... they control.
    Regulations do not regulate ... they protect the status quo.
    Government banks do not distribute money based on effort ... it is gifted to close friends ... and some of it trickles down.

    The result is war, poverty, fear, chaos, and hopelessness for most people with abundance for a few elite.
    -Travlyr

  • #187

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    few notes:

    MegaBox will let recording artists connect directly with fans without signing up with a recording label and keep 90% of all income. Expected rollout in 6 months.

    MegaMovie was developed before the raid and they were in negotiations with movie companies to create a NetFlix competitor.

    "They are trying to blame us for an Internet phenomenon, this isn't a MegaUpload phenomenon that there was piracy on MegaUpload, You can ask any ISP how much piracy you have on your network and anyone that will tell you less than 50% is a liar. On the Internet, piracy is so common that every Internet provider has to deal with the same issues. On YouTube right now, you can find more copywrite infringement that you could ever find in the history of MegaUpload. If you go to Google and look for a album or a movie, you will instantly find a link to a web site that has that content available. So why are these guys not in jail? Why are they coming here, to NZ, when everyone else has to deal with the same issues. And they can't blame me for the actions of third parties. ... If someone sends something illegal through the postal service, you don't shut down the postal service."

    GCSB illegally spied on the company. They now have permission to sue the spy agency. The NZ PM met with Obama this week and stated that Mega was discussed, but refused to say what was discussed.

    "if we receive a take down notice, we will take things down. We have done this with MegaUpload and went further than any other company by giving copy write owners direct access to take material down on their own. They wrote us e-mails saying 'WOW Great' and then they stab you in the back."

    "We paid out rewards for downloads, but never to attract piracy. ... One thing the DOJ never mentioned is that we didn't pay out for any file over 100 MB. You can't find a movie under 100 MB. To say that we paid people for uploading movies, that is just a blatant lie. That never happened. What also needs to be said is that you could not be an anonymous rewards customer on MegaUpload, you had a premium customer... so we had all of your information - could track you..."

    At the end, about 1:15:00 is a good anti-copy write / freedom of speech song. Anybody know who it is and what the song is?

    there is other great stuff - worth watching!

    -t
    Last edited by tangent4ronpaul; 01-24-2013 at 06:05 AM.
    Public education is not education ... it is schooling.
    Our military is not defense ... it is warmongering and empire building.
    Government police do not protect ... they control.
    Regulations do not regulate ... they protect the status quo.
    Government banks do not distribute money based on effort ... it is gifted to close friends ... and some of it trickles down.

    The result is war, poverty, fear, chaos, and hopelessness for most people with abundance for a few elite.
    -Travlyr

  • #188

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    Quote Originally Posted by tangent4ronpaul View Post
    few notes:

    MegaBox will let recording artists connect directly with fans without signing up with a recording label and keep 90% of all income. Expected rollout in 6 months.

    MegaMovie was developed before the raid and they were in negotiations with movie companies to create a NetFlix competitor.

    -t
    How much does iTunes or Amazon mp3 let artists keep?
    Good luck with their movie deal, I don't see what they can do that Crackle, Hulu, Flixster hasn't tried.

  • #189

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tpoints View Post
    How much does iTunes or Amazon mp3 let artists keep?
    Good luck with their movie deal, I don't see what they can do that Crackle, Hulu, Flixster hasn't tried.
    1-2 cents on the dollar for recording companies, someplace like Amazon - probably a lot better, but no where near this.

    -t
    Public education is not education ... it is schooling.
    Our military is not defense ... it is warmongering and empire building.
    Government police do not protect ... they control.
    Regulations do not regulate ... they protect the status quo.
    Government banks do not distribute money based on effort ... it is gifted to close friends ... and some of it trickles down.

    The result is war, poverty, fear, chaos, and hopelessness for most people with abundance for a few elite.
    -Travlyr

  • #190

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    Quote Originally Posted by tangent4ronpaul View Post
    1-2 cents on the dollar for recording companies, someplace like Amazon - probably a lot better, but no where near this.

    -t
    sorry, you're wrong!

    iTunes gives closer to 10%
    CDbaby gives 74% (74 cents per 99 cents), and this ratio holds whether you are selling a CD or a download of a track. So Mega's new 90% share is great, but not as new as some like to think. Oh, and the "no need to sign up for a label" crap is old, people haven't needed a label for almost a decade. Although most are caught in the dichotomy of either pressing their own CDs and keeping 90%, or signing with a label and keeping 10%, the options were always there.
    Last edited by Tpoints; 01-24-2013 at 11:49 AM.

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