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    It's called first sale doctrine
    "First sale doctrine" as it is currently being pushed means that any book, song or movie you purchase does not belong to you. Should you choose to sell it, the people that own your "property" want another cut. It's like buying land and a house. You don't own it. You pay rent on it to the government.

    I might have gotten that backwards...

    FUCK THAT!

    -t
    Public education is not education ... it is schooling.
    Our military is not defense ... it is warmongering and empire building.
    Government police do not protect ... they control.
    Regulations do not regulate ... they protect the status quo.
    Government banks do not distribute money based on effort ... it is gifted to close friends ... and some of it trickles down.

    The result is war, poverty, fear, chaos, and hopelessness for most people with abundance for a few elite.
    -Travlyr



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    Quote Originally Posted by tangent4ronpaul View Post
    "First sale doctrine" as it is currently being pushed means that any book, song or movie you purchase does not belong to you.
    No, not yet. I'm sure people who benefit are trying, but it's not held that way yet. Also, the only time it becomes a real question is when there's a parrelelt import problem.

    Should you choose to sell it, the people that own your "property" want another cut. It's like buying land and a house. You don't own it. You pay rent on it to the government.

    I might have gotten that backwards...

    FUCK THAT!

    -t
    If laws change, you're more likely than not, to have a warning, in which case you are free to stop purchasing. However, pirating will most likely still be illegal.

    First of all, paying for something doesn't always equate to buying. Secondly, if you didn't buy something, you can't complain. Thirdly, copyright and non-exhaustion questions don't send money to the government, though it takes it from the user/consumer, so it might not matter to him who takes his money.
    Last edited by Tpoints; 01-23-2013 at 05:28 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by itshappening View Post
    I don't think it's authoritarian to want Kim brought to justice.
    But that's just like your opinion, man

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    OK, but there was a bill introduced (maybe passed) in recent memory that said the seller owned to rights to the product so had to be paid again is sold used. It only applied to things that were imported, so basically all electronics, most cars, etc.

    -t
    Public education is not education ... it is schooling.
    Our military is not defense ... it is warmongering and empire building.
    Government police do not protect ... they control.
    Regulations do not regulate ... they protect the status quo.
    Government banks do not distribute money based on effort ... it is gifted to close friends ... and some of it trickles down.

    The result is war, poverty, fear, chaos, and hopelessness for most people with abundance for a few elite.
    -Travlyr

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    Quote Originally Posted by tangent4ronpaul View Post
    OK, but there was a bill introduced (maybe passed) in recent memory that said the seller owned to rights to the product so had to be paid again is sold used. It only applied to things that were imported, so basically all electronics, most cars, etc.

    -t
    exactly! that becomes an import question, not an IP question.

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    MEGA Launch Press Conference

    this was otherwise available in 6 parts. Definitive answers to some issues brought up in this thread start about half way through.



    -t
    Public education is not education ... it is schooling.
    Our military is not defense ... it is warmongering and empire building.
    Government police do not protect ... they control.
    Regulations do not regulate ... they protect the status quo.
    Government banks do not distribute money based on effort ... it is gifted to close friends ... and some of it trickles down.

    The result is war, poverty, fear, chaos, and hopelessness for most people with abundance for a few elite.
    -Travlyr

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    few notes:

    MegaBox will let recording artists connect directly with fans without signing up with a recording label and keep 90% of all income. Expected rollout in 6 months.

    MegaMovie was developed before the raid and they were in negotiations with movie companies to create a NetFlix competitor.

    "They are trying to blame us for an Internet phenomenon, this isn't a MegaUpload phenomenon that there was piracy on MegaUpload, You can ask any ISP how much piracy you have on your network and anyone that will tell you less than 50% is a liar. On the Internet, piracy is so common that every Internet provider has to deal with the same issues. On YouTube right now, you can find more copywrite infringement that you could ever find in the history of MegaUpload. If you go to Google and look for a album or a movie, you will instantly find a link to a web site that has that content available. So why are these guys not in jail? Why are they coming here, to NZ, when everyone else has to deal with the same issues. And they can't blame me for the actions of third parties. ... If someone sends something illegal through the postal service, you don't shut down the postal service."

    GCSB illegally spied on the company. They now have permission to sue the spy agency. The NZ PM met with Obama this week and stated that Mega was discussed, but refused to say what was discussed.

    "if we receive a take down notice, we will take things down. We have done this with MegaUpload and went further than any other company by giving copy write owners direct access to take material down on their own. They wrote us e-mails saying 'WOW Great' and then they stab you in the back."

    "We paid out rewards for downloads, but never to attract piracy. ... One thing the DOJ never mentioned is that we didn't pay out for any file over 100 MB. You can't find a movie under 100 MB. To say that we paid people for uploading movies, that is just a blatant lie. That never happened. What also needs to be said is that you could not be an anonymous rewards customer on MegaUpload, you had a premium customer... so we had all of your information - could track you..."

    At the end, about 1:15:00 is a good anti-copy write / freedom of speech song. Anybody know who it is and what the song is?

    there is other great stuff - worth watching!

    -t
    Last edited by tangent4ronpaul; 01-24-2013 at 06:05 AM.
    Public education is not education ... it is schooling.
    Our military is not defense ... it is warmongering and empire building.
    Government police do not protect ... they control.
    Regulations do not regulate ... they protect the status quo.
    Government banks do not distribute money based on effort ... it is gifted to close friends ... and some of it trickles down.

    The result is war, poverty, fear, chaos, and hopelessness for most people with abundance for a few elite.
    -Travlyr

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    Quote Originally Posted by tangent4ronpaul View Post
    few notes:

    MegaBox will let recording artists connect directly with fans without signing up with a recording label and keep 90% of all income. Expected rollout in 6 months.

    MegaMovie was developed before the raid and they were in negotiations with movie companies to create a NetFlix competitor.

    -t
    How much does iTunes or Amazon mp3 let artists keep?
    Good luck with their movie deal, I don't see what they can do that Crackle, Hulu, Flixster hasn't tried.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tpoints View Post
    How much does iTunes or Amazon mp3 let artists keep?
    Good luck with their movie deal, I don't see what they can do that Crackle, Hulu, Flixster hasn't tried.
    1-2 cents on the dollar for recording companies, someplace like Amazon - probably a lot better, but no where near this.

    -t
    Public education is not education ... it is schooling.
    Our military is not defense ... it is warmongering and empire building.
    Government police do not protect ... they control.
    Regulations do not regulate ... they protect the status quo.
    Government banks do not distribute money based on effort ... it is gifted to close friends ... and some of it trickles down.

    The result is war, poverty, fear, chaos, and hopelessness for most people with abundance for a few elite.
    -Travlyr

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    Quote Originally Posted by tangent4ronpaul View Post
    1-2 cents on the dollar for recording companies, someplace like Amazon - probably a lot better, but no where near this.

    -t
    sorry, you're wrong!

    iTunes gives closer to 10%
    CDbaby gives 74% (74 cents per 99 cents), and this ratio holds whether you are selling a CD or a download of a track. So Mega's new 90% share is great, but not as new as some like to think. Oh, and the "no need to sign up for a label" crap is old, people haven't needed a label for almost a decade. Although most are caught in the dichotomy of either pressing their own CDs and keeping 90%, or signing with a label and keeping 10%, the options were always there.
    Last edited by Tpoints; 01-24-2013 at 11:49 AM.

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    This needs to get into the OP.
    It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen
    to set brush fires in peoples minds! Revolution is Action upon Revelation!

    The small green parakeet, Tito, was flung helplessly from the cage, landing on the floor. When a girl screamed, the officer sneerd:
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    Another interesting fact I did not know was that they were not incentivizing anything over 100mb. As in, you did not get cash rewards for views on any file over 100mb. As I am sure all are aware you are somewhat hardpressed to find a 30 minute television show under 100mb. Movies will never be close to that. Were you aware of that itshappening? I believe our last discussion in the NZ raid thread no one had mentioned it. I'm mentioning it now as further evidence that Kim Dotcom was in no way encouraging the piracy occuring on megaupload.
    I call the bottom bunk at Gitmo, Snowden joked as he contemplated our prospects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    Another interesting fact I did not know was that they were not incentivizing anything over 100mb. As in, you did not get cash rewards for views on any file over 100mb. As I am sure all are aware you are somewhat hardpressed to find a 30 minute television show under 100mb. Movies will never be close to that. Were you aware of that itshappening? I believe our last discussion in the NZ raid thread no one had mentioned it. I'm mentioning it now as further evidence that Kim Dotcom was in no way encouraging the piracy occuring on megaupload.
    if it's optimized for a phone screen, it'll be more likely, but still rare.

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    Very good interview of Dotcom where he questions Obama's motives for the raid, addresses 'blanket' spying on the internet, and explains why he believes the MPAA is embracing a failing business model. Check it out. It's a good interview to say the least. Thanks to idiom for bringing this to my attention. I didn't feel it was getting proper views in the 'Individual Liberties' subforum and figured I'd post it here.
    I call the bottom bunk at Gitmo, Snowden joked as he contemplated our prospects.

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    No where does he mention the United States constitution or the body of copyright law that protects ALL rights holders including Hollywood.

    That's why he was shut down.

    But of course Kim tries to pretend he's some internet freedom crusader.

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    Ron Paul let the cat out of the bag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by itshappening View Post
    No where does he mention the United States constitution or the body of copyright law that protects ALL rights holders including Hollywood.

    That's why he was shut down.

    But of course Kim tries to pretend he's some internet freedom crusader.
    I think he's still an internet crusader as far as internet users go, but I don't need to watch the video to know he probably doesn't care about the Constitution one way or the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by itshappening View Post
    No where does he mention the United States constitution or the body of copyright law that protects ALL rights holders including Hollywood.

    That's why he was shut down.

    But of course Kim tries to pretend he's some internet freedom crusader.
    Okay. I'll just point out a few things.

    He is offering a lot more solutions than Obama and the MPAA.
    He is a crusader in privacy on the internet in that he wishes to encrypt the majority of the internet. (While I admit it is most probably a futile effort as Bluffton will be storing even encrypted data until an algorithim is available to crack it)
    He did address (I would say adequately, though I'm sure you might disagree) your first issue of child pornography.
    He did address the issue of copyright infringement. (As I stated above, he offered some sound advice to the MPAA)
    Obama clearly did not target Dotcom randomly or out of good conscience. (It is no coincidence how 'loud' this raid was. IOW, a publicity stunt.)
    Megaupload did not incentivize uploads over 100mb.
    Megaupload gave copyright holders direct access to deletion privileges. (Correct me if I'm wrong, but no one else had ever done that, or does it now)
    He mentions the trumped up charges of racketeering and money laundering. (As a means to extradite him)

    These are in no real order and there's a few other things I probably have missed.
    I call the bottom bunk at Gitmo, Snowden joked as he contemplated our prospects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    Okay. I'll just point out a few things.

    He is offering a lot more solutions than Obama and the MPAA.
    He is a crusader in privacy on the internet in that he wishes to encrypt the majority of the internet. (While I admit it is most probably a futile effort as Bluffton will be storing even encrypted data until an algorithim is available to crack it)
    He did address (I would say adequately, though I'm sure you might disagree) your first issue of child pornography.
    He did address the issue of copyright infringement. (As I stated above, he offered some sound advice to the MPAA)
    Obama clearly did not target Dotcom randomly or out of good conscience. (It is no coincidence how 'loud' this raid was. IOW, a publicity stunt.)
    Megaupload did not incentivize uploads over 100mb.
    Megaupload gave copyright holders direct access to deletion privileges. (Correct me if I'm wrong, but no one else had ever done that, or does it now)
    He mentions the trumped up charges of racketeering and money laundering. (As a means to extradite him)

    These are in no real order and there's a few other things I probably have missed.
    Here's the bottom line: Megaupload.com was registered and at the time he agreed to the t&cs. the .com registry is administered and licensed to Network Solutions of Virginia. The domain was seized and megaupload.com shut down because a US judge agreed that he doesn't respect the constitution, rights holders or copyright law.

    And that's the end of it.

    The criminal charges is something else and I dont know if they have a case but it's being heard later this year.

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    Kim can rant and rave all he wants but if you register a .com you abide by the t&c's and ultimately U.S law and the constitution.

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    Kim talks a lot about the MPAA but it wasn't just them after him it was the Business Software Alliance, RIAA and numerous other rights holder groups.

    So he's just trying to deflect attention from the fact that he doesn't respect US law and never has. Therefore he can't complain when his domain is taken by a US judge.

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    Ron Paul let the cat out of the bag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by itshappening View Post
    Kim talks a lot about the MPAA but it wasn't just them after him it was the Business Software Alliance, RIAA and numerous other rights holder groups.

    So he's just trying to deflect attention from the fact that he doesn't respect US law and never has. Therefore he can't complain when his domain is taken by a US judge.


    They can be "after him" all they want, he's no more guilty than an the average ISP.
    Should Bushmaster get sued when some goes Aurora, CO?

    Kim Dotcom is very clear about what he doesn't respect: PRIVACY INFRINGEMENT


    Mega, "the privacy company"


    He's after private encrypted file sharing, private encrypted email, and private encrypted VOIP.

    I SUPPORT THAT; If you want my data GET A WARRANT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    They can be "after him" all they want, he's no more guilty than an the average ISP.
    Should Bushmaster get sued when some goes Aurora, CO?

    Kim Dotcom is very clear about what he doesn't respect: PRIVACY INFRINGEMENT


    Mega, "the privacy company"


    He's after private encrypted file sharing, private encrypted email, and private encrypted VOIP.

    I SUPPORT THAT.
    Yawn.

    There is a difference between an ISP and a host who was housing terrabytes of copyrighted content.

    Any hosting provider who hosts and make's available terrabytes of copyrighted content will get shut down and if they own a .com, they will have it seized when rights holders take action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by itshappening View Post
    Yawn.

    There is a difference between an ISP and a host who was housing terrabytes of copyrighted content.

    Any hosting provider who hosts and make's available terrabytes of copyrighted content will get shut down and if they own a .com, they will have it seized when rights holders take action.
    Thank god for torrents. Piracy is going to kill intellectual property. I can't remember the last time I paid for a movie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by itshappening View Post
    Yawn.
    []
    will get shut down and if they own a .com, they will have it seized

    1/23/13 "Mega.co.nz enters top 150 sites, bigger than DropBox, Rapidshare"

    "The encryption is open source. We expect the security community to take a long and hard look and comment on possible weaknesses."

    CTO of Mega, Mathias Ortman
    It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen
    to set brush fires in peoples minds! Revolution is Action upon Revelation!

    The small green parakeet, Tito, was flung helplessly from the cage, landing on the floor. When a girl screamed, the officer sneerd:
    "F*** THE BIRD !!!"
    ...and stomped on it with his jackboot. READ MORE: http://www.policestateusa.com/2013/n...lugo-parakeet/


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    Quote Originally Posted by itshappening View Post
    Here's the bottom line: Megaupload.com was registered and at the time he agreed to the t&cs. the .com registry is administered and licensed to Network Solutions of Virginia. The domain was seized and megaupload.com shut down because a US judge agreed that he doesn't respect the constitution, rights holders or copyright law.

    And that's the end of it.

    The criminal charges is something else and I dont know if they have a case but it's being heard later this year.
    No. HERE is the bottom line. You know good and well that federal judges do not necessarily uphold the constitution so the fact that one agrees with your witch-hunt is evidence of nothing. Megaupload was one of many file sharing sites. Kim got raided shortly after the release of the Megaupload music video. The feds decided to make an example out of him. But the companies that, unlike Kim, actually promoted the illegal use of their software, while owning "copyrighted" material? They haven't been harassed at all. It's like the same government that ships in the cocaine on C130s and protects opium fields in Afghanistan busting a medical marijuana joint because the owner is too flamboyant.

    Kim's latest venture is badly needed. And if Kim is taken down and isn't able to go through with it, I hope somebody will. The very future of our freedom depends on winning the Internet encryption battle. Not everyone involved in 1776 was a savory character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by itshappening View Post
    They facilitate it and are complicit. That's why Mega got shut down in the first place.

    Just being a provider is no excuse for knowingly hosting terrabytes of child porn on your servers.
    They facilitate it and are complicit. That's why assault weapons were banned in the first place.

    Just being a manufacturer is no excuse for knowingly providing terrorists and disturbed individuals with military style semi-automatic assault weapons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    They can be "after him" all they want, he's no more guilty than an the average ISP.
    He is if he's less respectful of DMCA notices

    Should Bushmaster get sued when some goes Aurora, CO?

    Kim Dotcom is very clear about what he doesn't respect: PRIVACY INFRINGEMENT
    Mega, "the privacy company"
    He's after private encrypted file sharing, private encrypted email, and private encrypted VOIP.
    I SUPPORT THAT; If you want my data GET A WARRANT.
    No criminal respects law enforcement, which includes privacy infringement. I bet you didn't know that the Constitution protects copyright and intellectual property, but not privacy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverhandorder View Post
    Thank god for torrents. Piracy is going to kill intellectual property. I can't remember the last time I paid for a movie.
    they might kill the greedy profit machine, but not the concept of IP. Nor will the idea you can copy and use any information and use it any way you want be a reality (when you're pro-counterfeit, pro-ID theft, pro-plagiarism and pro-fraud, let me know)

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