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    cool beans! got pics?? wrapped inside or outside? hubby's got a pole barn... needs to be insulated.. wonder if that stuff would make it too darn hot in the summer
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    One article seems to think that the reason this is just a "hoodie" and not a full garment is because a full garment would be against International Traffic in Arms Regulations.

    If you want to make one yourself, this looks like a good place to start:

    http://www.fine-silver-productsnet.c...efayaandf.html

    It's around $5-10 per sq ft of fabric
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClydeCoulter View Post
    My polebarn workshop is wrapped all around including the roof with Foil-bubble-Foil insulation. It's 1/4" thick and provides 5+R insulation, and cell phones don't get a signal within it. I wonder if it is thermally shielded and to what degree (radiation wise). (It does reflect radiant heat).
    Well, depends on the IR you are trying to defeat, and what you mean by defeated. An expensive but just about certain way to defeat FLIR is with an ambient-temperature pane of glass held 8" in front of your heat source blocking the camera. Even as complicated as that is, that still may not be the type of IR defeat you are going for. perfect IR invisibility is difficult, but possible, but the closer you are to IR invisibility, the more difficult it will be to hide your visible light profile.

    If I'm honest, I tend to think the best way may be to go about the inside and outside and get the same color of thermal insulating and not thermal insulating paint, and just draw camouflage patters in thermal paint outside to match the landscape, inside to break up any shapes, and then cover in one-color so no-ones the wiser. if you have a heat source inside over a few watts, the barn will (eventually) glow no matter what. insulation and ventilation will decide how long that takes at what kind of power source. disrupt any 'glow' that forms into at best something natural looking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by klamath View Post
    Conductive heated mylar will then be radiating IR.
    How much heat it radiates depends on its emissivity. This is why two objects can be at the same actual temperature but have very different brightnesses on a thermal image.

    I don't have the emissivity of mylar handy. But maybe there are other materials involved here, perhaps in multiple layers?

    With close to a thousand flight hours using NVGs and FLIR I have a pretty good understanding of it.
    No offense intended, but flying around looking at objects through NVG and FLIR does not equate to an understanding of the technology. Were you testing various materials for stealth purposes? If so, that's another matter, and I hope you'll share some ideas with everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post
    Well, depends on the IR you are trying to defeat, and what you mean by defeated. An expensive but just about certain way to defeat FLIR is with an ambient-temperature pane of glass held 8" in front of your heat source blocking the camera. Even as complicated as that is, that still may not be the type of IR defeat you are going for. perfect IR invisibility is difficult, but possible, but the closer you are to IR invisibility, the more difficult it will be to hide your visible light profile.

    If I'm honest, I tend to think the best way may be to go about the inside and outside and get the same color of thermal insulating and not thermal insulating paint, and just draw camouflage patters in thermal paint outside to match the landscape, inside to break up any shapes, and then cover in one-color so no-ones the wiser. if you have a heat source inside over a few watts, the barn will (eventually) glow no matter what. insulation and ventilation will decide how long that takes at what kind of power source. disrupt any 'glow' that forms into at best something natural looking.
    I'm sure that at least one spot that glows like a neon sign, that's the woodstove in the winter on the northwest corner. But I like the thermal paint idea.

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    It looks like these thermal clothing items are already available for purchase:

    http://www.primitivelondon.co.uk/exh...tank-magazine/

    The downside is that they're pretty damned expensive. They're probably not worth it if a way can be discovered to improvise these things. Perhaps Mr. Harvey will be willing to share his methods.

    There are also a number of patents for "thermal camouflage" that can be read and downloaded from Google Patents. See for example US Patent #7,832,018.
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    Quote Originally Posted by opal View Post
    cool beans! got pics?? wrapped inside or outside? hubby's got a pole barn... needs to be insulated.. wonder if that stuff would make it too darn hot in the summer
    It was wrapped during construction over the purlins and trusses, just prior to putting on the metal roof and siding.

    It helps keep it warmer in the winter, and cooler in the summer. I also insulated with 1.5" foam sheets in the walls and R19 fiberglass in the ceiling. It's 1792 sq ft with 9' ceilings and a 5/12 pitch roof, and I am able to keep it 65 degrees F in the winter when it is in the teens outside using only a woodstove.
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    Demonstration of the effect a space blanket has on FLIR:



    Other materials under FLIR:



    bbc clip: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-16026965

    mythbusters clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mV4ecEbV1s


    how to make a cheap ~$100 DIY thermal camera (only useful for taking still images, not video) http://www.cheap-thermocam.tk/
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    Anyone good with a needle and thread? Any DIY sewing machine pros out there?

    You can buy a 45"X10 yard bolt of "Insul-Fleece" for about seventy bucks. It's Mylar-lined fleece.

    Hmm. I could wrap my entire house for how much??

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    Quote Originally Posted by KCIndy View Post
    Anyone good with a needle and thread? Any DIY sewing machine pros out there?

    You can buy a 45"X10 yard bolt of "Insul-Fleece" for about seventy bucks. It's Mylar-lined fleece.

    Hmm. I could wrap my entire house for how much??
    If anyone is truly going to line their house with mylar, be sure to read up on the proper placement of vapor and air barriers within walls for your climate type. Placed improperly, a vapor barrier could lead to condensation within walls and mold problems.
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