Rick Santorum Blames Gay Marriage, Abortion And Porn Ideals On College Indoctrination

[Confederate]

So is Roman Catholicism. Roman Catholicism is a worship of man's will.

Yeah, I think you need to back away from the Calvinist propaganda.

[Sola_Fide]

Yeah, I think you need to back away from the Calvinist propaganda.

What does Calvinism have to do with anything I've posted in this thread? What is propaganda about it?

In the Roman Catholic conception of things, man's will is supreme and God cannot ever force man's will. In Roman Catholicism, man's will (not God's) is free and absolute in regards to his destiny. There is nothing propaganda about it...this is what the Roman Catholic system is. It is contrary to the Bible, which teaches that man's will is enslaved to sin (not free), and that only God's will is free and determinative in the salvation of people.

[parocks]

I'm certainly no fan of Santorum, as his foreign policy is simply atrocious, but I don't see how anyone can argue with this statement:

"If you go to our schools and particularly our colleges and universities, they are indoctrinated in a sea of relativism and a sea of antagonism towards Christianity."

Yup

[parocks]

I didn't say that they should teach Christianity, but a lot of these universities are openly hostile to Christianity, and also openly hostile to any political point of view that is non liberal.

Correct again.

[parocks]

I find it ridiculous that evangelicals act like there is a "war on Christianity" when the exact opposite is happening. How many television channels are out there that are solely dedicated to Christians. How many radio stations out there? How often can you drive around without seeing some billboard or running into someone passing out some pamphlet tell you about how "Jesus saves." How many times have you had someone knock on your door telling you to turn to Christ? How many times do you hear someone "thank Jesus their Lord and Savior" or their award speeches and when they score touchdowns in a football game.

Yet that isn't enough, the evangelicals are claiming THEY are the victims here and that those evil gay people are trying to spread their culture. This whole claim that colleges are now joining in on this "war on Christianity" is just another example of this. Go onto any college campus, I GUARANTEE you there is a christian chapel on campus. There is probably no Temple, Mosque, or Synagogue but almost always a Christian chapel of some kind. Yet that isn't enough, more must be done because there is a War on Christianity you see. I say this as a Catholic person myself, born and raised.

Drop the victim's routine. It doesn't add up.

Nah, they're right.

[parocks]

I don't care if ***** want to get married, any less than I care if heteros get married. I don't give a $#@! if you want to kill your unborn child, just don't sugar coat the idea with the "It's my body, it's my choice" bull$#@! sauce. I love porn. LOVE it. loveitloveitloveitloveit. I've never once set foot in college classroom as a student.

Frothy, you closeted PRICK - you're wrong again, $#@!!!! Go back into your hidey-hole somewhere, enjoy your gay porn, and get the hell out of the news. No one cares.

Well, abortion, gay marriage and porn are not the same. Porn has been around since the beginning of time. Gay marriage has never been allowed.

[heavenlyboy34]

That's funny, I've been in college for over 2 years now, and have yet to hear the promotion of(or even mention of) any of those things. In almost all of my classes(my first year), hardly anyone even talked to each other, let alone participated in class discussions.

I've taken classes at 4 community colleges and ASU, and these topics have never come up. Sounds like Frothy's just trying to stir $#@!. :P

[heavenlyboy34]

What does Calvinism have to do with anything I've posted in this thread? What is propaganda about it?

In the Roman Catholic conception of things, man's will is supreme and God cannot ever force man's will. In Roman Catholicism, man's will (not God's) is free and absolute in regards to his destiny. There is nothing propaganda about it...this is what the Roman Catholic system is. It is contrary to the Bible, which teaches that man's will is enslaved to sin (not free), and that only God's will is free and determinative in the salvation of people.

I'm not an expert in things Catholic at all, but from what I understand about St. Augustine, you're entirely wrong.

[Sola_Fide]

I'm not an expert in things Catholic at all, but from what I understand about St. Augustine, you're entirely wrong.

Well...in what way do you think I'm entirely wrong?

[parocks]

Wait a second. Are you seriously calling what they teach in public schools and universities "education?" I believe the correct term is "indoctrination."

There is a real split here in the Ron Paul camp. We all agree, pretty much, that the federal government shouldn't be doing that, whatever that is. But when it comes to social conservative issues on the state level, you have Ron Paul supporters on both sides.

A "war on porn" is not going to be very popular at all. Gay marriage should lose in most states.

[parocks]

I've taken classes at 4 community colleges and ASU, and these topics have never come up. Sounds like Frothy's just trying to stir $#@!. :P

He's right, but I went to different schools than you did. I would assume that there would be less leftist indoctrination in Community Colleges in the southwest than in small liberal arts schools in the Northeast. There is leftism in colleges in the Northeast.

[PierzStyx]

Those are the symptoms of the moral decline as opposed to the cause. Frothy is wrong.

I wouldn't say entirely. Heaven knows I can't stand this man. And his solutions for the problems are horrendous. But the Left has long been okay with pushing these things. In fact it makes a point of doing so because the more they're accepted the more the other side looks like stupid for being to "old fashioned." Every Left Wing movement has focused on destroying the conservative-traditional ideals, everything from sexual morals to economic morals. Its all part of the whole Left's philosophy of "There is no God but State. What State says is good." Destroy traditional morals and create new morals to replace them, morals that almost always have focused on making fulfilling sexual and physical urges. It bleeds into everything else. The major tool the Left uses in indoctrinating American in Left wing ideals is in fact college, the State indoctrination institution.

[Sola_Fide]

I disagree with everything single thing that Santorum said in that article. Santorum isn't defending "Christianity", he is defending a false system of "traditional morals". Not only that, every solution that Santorum comes up with is an anti-Christian solution which involves state force. This is just good old fashioned Opus Dei religio-tyranny.

The only thing that will transform society is if the GOSPEL of imputed righteousness and efficacious atonement is preached and believed on by the people. We have only had glimpses of it in history. This system of "traditional morality" is a legalistic, Pharisaical, man-made religion of outward state force. Governments and churches do not change men in society, they can only force men to do things by force. Only the gospel truly changes a man, from the inside out. And the gospel is a certain set of propositions and not other propositions.

[parocks]

I wouldn't say entirely. Heaven knows I can't stand this man. And his solutions for the problems are horrendous. But the Left has long been okay with pushing these things. In fact it makes a point of doing so because the more they're accepted the more the other side looks like stupid for being to "old fashioned." Every Left Wing movement has focused on destroying the conservative-traditional ideals, everything from sexual morals to economic morals. Its all part of the whole Left's philosophy of "There is no God but State. What State says is good." Destroy traditional morals and create new morals to replace them, morals that almost always have focused on making fulfilling sexual and physical urges. It bleeds into everything else. The major tool the Left uses in indoctrinating American in Left wing ideals is in fact college, the State indoctrination institution.

Social conservatives seem to want to get it wrong. All False flaggers? Is it really necessary to bring porn into a gay marriage conversation? Socons really should focus on the weirdest stuff the left is trying to sell, not the popular stuff that the people like. Neither the mainstream establishment Ds or Rs want the Liberty people, and they don't want the Socons to succeed either. So the socons are always saying something kinda buffoonish. Feminists and socons have alliances on porn issues. Apparently the feminists have warped the minds of the socons.

There is nothing WTF??? about porn or prostitution. Socons might want to focus on the WTF??? stuff, and not things that could fall under the category of "objectivication of women". We hear enough about that from the left.