How real conspiracies are exposed

[BlackTerrel]

By now I assume most people are familiar with the Manti Te’o story.

Short version is this: Manti Te’o is a Notre Dame linebacker, a projected top 10 overall NFL draft prospect, one of the best college football players in the nation and by all accounts a great dude. In October he receives word that his grandmother and girlfriend died within a 24 hour window right before Notre Dame plays Michigan State. A game in which Michigan State is favored. Manti decides to skip the funeral because his girlfriend told him to promise her that he wouldn’t miss a game and instead play in the game. He plays in the game and has a great performance, helping the Irish record the upset of Michigan State. His story is inspiring and carried on various networks and featured prominently on ESPN and all the sports blogs.

Except yesterday we receive news that none of it was true. The girlfriend not only didn’t die, she never existed to begin with. Details of the bizarre story are still coming out, so bizarre we’re still not sure 100% how this all happened, but we do know the girlfriend never existed.

Now take a look at how real investigative journalism works. See the story below which broke this news. See how detailed and exhaustive it is and how deadspin proves every single point without a shadow of a doubt. No one could read this story and claim that deadspin was lying or that they are conspiracy theorists. Rock solid proof and the story is exposed and now all over the media and internet. Look how long and detailed it is and how every fact is poured over with a fine tooth comb.

Also note how it took them 3 months and hundreds of hours of time and research before coming out with this bombshell. They knew they had to be 1000% sure of their claim before going public because IF THEY WERE WRONG IT WOULD BE INCREDIBLY $#@!ED UP TO MAKE SUCH A CLAIM ABOUT SOMEONE WHO LOST A LOVED ONE. They would not release it and open themselves up to ridicule before backing everything up and being 100% sure. To do anything else would be incredibly cruel to Manti, his family, and the Notre Dame community and result in deadspin losing all credibility.

http://m.deadspin.com/5976517/manti-...ason-is-a-hoax

Contrast that with the Newtown story. The bullets had barely stopped flying and already we saw tons of websites claim it was all a big conspiracy. We have people questioning and harassing people who lost children. What if it really did go down? How is it possible to make all these claims without doing any investigating?

[BlackTerrel]

Contrast investigative journalism with this. Two middle aged white women with dark hair

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

Contrast investigative journalism with this. Two middle aged white women with dark hair

do you have youtube video links?

[BlackTerrel]

And by the way the "crisis actors" didn't cry enough? Manti Te'o balled his eyes out on the Notre Dame sideline and then gave this interview. So I guess this football player is a much better actor than those hired by the government.

[TheGrinch]

And by the way the "crisis actors" didn't cry enough? Manti Te'o balled his eyes out on the Notre Dame sideline and then gave this interview. So I guess this football player is a much better actor than those hired by the government.

Well, we do know he's acting, so ummm, yes.... That doesn't really prove anything in the other case, than yes, raise the possibility they are crappy actors. Makes more sense than parents not crying and joking before going on camera and acting too choked up to speak.

[Anti Federalist]

Manti Te'o balled his eyes out...

Oh, and spelling matters.

"Balled his eyes out" is some kind of masturbatory skull $#@!ing I've never heard of.

"Bawled his eyes out" is what I think you meant.

The more you know.

[FindLiberty]

Anti Federalist "Balled his eyes out" ...The more you know.

LOL

OK, maybe it was this Mellon Baller then?

[BlackTerrel]

Oh, and spelling matters.

"Balled his eyes out" is some kind of masturbatory skull $#@!ing I've never heard of.

"Bawled his eyes out" is what I think you meant.

The more you know.

Learned something new

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=baller

[Anti Federalist]

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[TheGrinch]

Remind me again where there's been investigative journalism by the mainstream media on the matter. All they've done is corroborate lies, inconsistencies and ommisions.

And you wonder why there are theories. Youtube Sandy Hook Exposed for many more investigative questions....

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Remind me again where there's been investigative journalism by the mainstream media on the matter. All they've done is corroborate lies, inconsistencies and ommisions.

And you wonder why there are theories. Youtube Sandy Hook Exposed for many more investigative questions....

In order to get from a to z, we have to quit writing books. A volume could be written about how irrational the news media is. The best they could do in their defense is talk and look pretty. Meaning we just need to trust that the media is by nature irrational. This is true on countless levels. So, investigative reporting is an oxymoron. Figure the best the news media will ever be is a mother bird throwing up regurgitated nonsense for public little birds to drink up and crap out. This method apparently sells the product. The lower the quality of the product being sold, the worse tasting is the vomited news.

I hate using this analogy, but this is how we should view the news media. It is crap on many many levels. Will we eat it up? In a heartbeat!

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

By now I assume most people are familiar with the Manti Te’o story.

Short version is this: Manti Te’o is a Notre Dame linebacker, a projected top 10 overall NFL draft prospect, one of the best college football players in the nation and by all accounts a great dude. In October he receives word that his grandmother and girlfriend died within a 24 hour window right before Notre Dame plays Michigan State. A game in which Michigan State is favored. Manti decides to skip the funeral because his girlfriend told him to promise her that he wouldn’t miss a game and instead play in the game. He plays in the game and has a great performance, helping the Irish record the upset of Michigan State. His story is inspiring and carried on various networks and featured prominently on ESPN and all the sports blogs.

Except yesterday we receive news that none of it was true. The girlfriend not only didn’t die, she never existed to begin with. Details of the bizarre story are still coming out, so bizarre we’re still not sure 100% how this all happened, but we do know the girlfriend never existed.

Now take a look at how real investigative journalism works. See the story below which broke this news. See how detailed and exhaustive it is and how deadspin proves every single point without a shadow of a doubt. No one could read this story and claim that deadspin was lying or that they are conspiracy theorists. Rock solid proof and the story is exposed and now all over the media and internet. Look how long and detailed it is and how every fact is poured over with a fine tooth comb.

Also note how it took them 3 months and hundreds of hours of time and research before coming out with this bombshell. They knew they had to be 1000% sure of their claim before going public because IF THEY WERE WRONG IT WOULD BE INCREDIBLY $#@!ED UP TO MAKE SUCH A CLAIM ABOUT SOMEONE WHO LOST A LOVED ONE. They would not release it and open themselves up to ridicule before backing everything up and being 100% sure. To do anything else would be incredibly cruel to Manti, his family, and the Notre Dame community and result in deadspin losing all credibility.

http://m.deadspin.com/5976517/manti-...ason-is-a-hoax

Contrast that with the Newtown story. The bullets had barely stopped flying and already we saw tons of websites claim it was all a big conspiracy. We have people questioning and harassing people who lost children. What if it really did go down? How is it possible to make all these claims without doing any investigating?

When the intelligence agencies commit actions in the best interest of the old Puritan order, there is no way the people will ever be able to investigate them. The best we can do is suppose that tyranny by its very drunkard nature is attempting to violate our Civil Purpose. We can also gain insight from former citizens and intelligence agencies within those far flung places defeated by these paganists in charge of the Federal government. The KGB agents for one. When the Soviet Union had dissolved, the intelligence agencies absorbed their tactics. The same was true of the Nazi SS. This is the evil we are up against. We have to understand this as a war going on between two orders within the United States which are the new order established by our Founders and the old existing Puritan order established prior.

[kathy88]

Contrast investigative journalism with this. Two middle aged white women with dark hair

Well you know we all look alike.

[UWDude]

By now I assume most people are familiar with the Manti Te’o story.

Short version is this: Manti Te’o is a Notre Dame linebacker, a projected top 10 overall NFL draft prospect, one of the best college football players in the nation and by all accounts a great dude. In October he receives word that his grandmother and girlfriend died within a 24 hour window right before Notre Dame plays Michigan State. A game in which Michigan State is favored. Manti decides to skip the funeral because his girlfriend told him to promise her that he wouldn’t miss a game and instead play in the game. He plays in the game and has a great performance, helping the Irish record the upset of Michigan State. His story is inspiring and carried on various networks and featured prominently on ESPN and all the sports blogs.

Except yesterday we receive news that none of it was true. The girlfriend not only didn’t die, she never existed to begin with. Details of the bizarre story are still coming out, so bizarre we’re still not sure 100% how this all happened, but we do know the girlfriend never existed.

Now take a look at how real investigative journalism works. See the story below which broke this news. See how detailed and exhaustive it is and how deadspin proves every single point without a shadow of a doubt. No one could read this story and claim that deadspin was lying or that they are conspiracy theorists. Rock solid proof and the story is exposed and now all over the media and internet. Look how long and detailed it is and how every fact is poured over with a fine tooth comb.

Also note how it took them 3 months and hundreds of hours of time and research before coming out with this bombshell. They knew they had to be 1000% sure of their claim before going public because IF THEY WERE WRONG IT WOULD BE INCREDIBLY $#@!ED UP TO MAKE SUCH A CLAIM ABOUT SOMEONE WHO LOST A LOVED ONE. They would not release it and open themselves up to ridicule before backing everything up and being 100% sure. To do anything else would be incredibly cruel to Manti, his family, and the Notre Dame community and result in deadspin losing all credibility.

http://m.deadspin.com/5976517/manti-...ason-is-a-hoax

Contrast that with the Newtown story. The bullets had barely stopped flying and already we saw tons of websites claim it was all a big conspiracy. We have people questioning and harassing people who lost children. What if it really did go down? How is it possible to make all these claims without doing any investigating?

What a fail by the MSM.

[TheGrinch]

What a fail by the MSM.

Actually, seriously, making this thread even less sensical is that absolutely no one did any investigative journalism whatsoever, outside of the independent site Deadspin, who's breaking more big stories than the MSM (even if they are as trashy as exposing Brett Favre's little buddy to the world).

[NewRightLibertarian]

Actually, seriously, making this thread even less sensical is that absolutely no one did any investigative journalism whatsoever, outside of the independent site Deadspin, who's breaking more big stories than the MSM (even if they are as trashy as exposing Brett Favre's little buddy to the world).

Alternative news gets the job done once again reporting conspiracies accurately. No surprise here.

[dannno]

Alternative news gets the job done once again reporting conspiracies accurately. No surprise here.

Yep that is really the big lesson here, the msm is completely useless and should never be trusted.

Bt, there are more pictures of that woman at the website including an actress profile so it isn't fair to just post that one pic which is not proof by itself but should raise an eyebrow. If I wasn't on my phone I'd repost the link.

[BlackTerrel]

Actually, seriously, making this thread even less sensical is that absolutely no one did any investigative journalism whatsoever, outside of the independent site Deadspin, who's breaking more big stories than the MSM (even if they are as trashy as exposing Brett Favre's little buddy to the world).

Deadspin isn't that independent they're owned by a pretty sizable company. And yes most in the MSM didn't care to dig deep to see if a top ten football player made up an imaginary girlfriend. But once it was exposed it was exposed so blatantly that no one could deny it and it was covered everywhere.

Alternative news gets the job done once again reporting conspiracies accurately. No surprise here.

But how come it took deadspin 3 months and Alex Jones 3 hours?

[mad cow]

Let's win one for the Fibber!

[jmdrake]

Hello BlackTerrel. Let me see if I understand you. Do you only care about unimportant conspiracies (such as the girlfriend of some football player I've never heard of because I don't think college football or even pro football is important in the grand scheme of things)? Is that what makes a conspiracy "real"?

Frankly I haven't gotten deep into Sandy Hook or the Aurora shooting beyond the fact that the Aurora shooter was definitely hopped up on drugs and the Sandy Hook shooter may have been as well. But what about the death of Osama Bin Laden? Does that not count as a "real conspiracy" just because it hasn't gotten the MSM rubber stamp of approval? Let's look at the facts:

1) At first the government said they were watching it on live TV. We even have the "picture" to prove that. Then later we were told there all of the helmet cams failed and there was no video feed. So what were they looking at?

2) At first Pakistan released a picture of the dead OBL. Then they said the picture was a fake.

3) At first a congressman said he saw pictures of a dead OBL. Then he said he was "mistaken".

4) At first the Pentagon said they did DNA tests to prove it was really OBL. Now they say they don't have OBL's DNA records.

5) OBL's alleged "burial at sea" which was supposedly done "in accordance with Islamic custom" actually violates Islam.

6) Members of the SEAL team that supposedly killed OBL were killed a couple of weeks later....only we learn it was supposedly a different SEAL team 6.

But hey, if you care more about football players' imaginary girlfriends more power to you.

[Anti Federalist]

+rep

We're to believe that people will lie and cover up football shenanigans, (not saying that pro sports does NOT have a long and sordid past of corruption, game fixing and yes, conspiracies) but not do the same when millions of lives and trillions of dollars and the fate of nations are in the balance?

Hello BlackTerrel. Let me see if I understand you. Do you only care about unimportant conspiracies (such as the girlfriend of some football player I've never heard of because I don't think college football or even pro football is important in the grand scheme of things)? Is that what makes a conspiracy "real"?

Frankly I haven't gotten deep into Sandy Hook or the Aurora shooting beyond the fact that the Aurora shooter was definitely hopped up on drugs and the Sandy Hook shooter may have been as well. But what about the death of Osama Bin Laden? Does that not count as a "real conspiracy" just because it hasn't gotten the MSM rubber stamp of approval? Let's look at the facts:

1) At first the government said they were watching it on live TV. We even have the "picture" to prove that. Then later we were told there all of the helmet cams failed and there was no video feed. So what were they looking at?

2) At first Pakistan released a picture of the dead OBL. Then they said the picture was a fake.

3) At first a congressman said he saw pictures of a dead OBL. Then he said he was "mistaken".

4) At first the Pentagon said they did DNA tests to prove it was really OBL. Now they say they don't have OBL's DNA records.

5) OBL's alleged "burial at sea" which was supposedly done "in accordance with Islamic custom" actually violates Islam.

6) Members of the SEAL team that supposedly killed OBL were killed a couple of weeks later....only we learn it was supposedly a different SEAL team 6.

But hey, if you care more about football players' imaginary girlfriends more power to you.

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Hello BlackTerrel. Let me see if I understand you. Do you only care about unimportant conspiracies (such as the girlfriend of some football player I've never heard of because I don't think college football or even pro football is important in the grand scheme of things)? Is that what makes a conspiracy "real"?

Frankly I haven't gotten deep into Sandy Hook or the Aurora shooting beyond the fact that the Aurora shooter was definitely hopped up on drugs and the Sandy Hook shooter may have been as well. But what about the death of Osama Bin Laden? Does that not count as a "real conspiracy" just because it hasn't gotten the MSM rubber stamp of approval? Let's look at the facts:

1) At first the government said they were watching it on live TV. We even have the "picture" to prove that. Then later we were told there all of the helmet cams failed and there was no video feed. So what were they looking at?

2) At first Pakistan released a picture of the dead OBL. Then they said the picture was a fake.

3) At first a congressman said he saw pictures of a dead OBL. Then he said he was "mistaken".

4) At first the Pentagon said they did DNA tests to prove it was really OBL. Now they say they don't have OBL's DNA records.

5) OBL's alleged "burial at sea" which was supposedly done "in accordance with Islamic custom" actually violates Islam.

6) Members of the SEAL team that supposedly killed OBL were killed a couple of weeks later....only we learn it was supposedly a different SEAL team 6.

But hey, if you care more about football players' imaginary girlfriends more power to you.

Never confront irrationality with a rational response. In other words, this is a good response gone for naught. Instead, do what I do. In a world of lies, the only way to unravel the mysteries of the colorful metaphors and fancy superfluous similes of the media is by way of deep emotional interpretation.

[dannno]

Hello BlackTerrel. Let me see if I understand you. Do you only care about unimportant conspiracies (such as the girlfriend of some football player I've never heard of because I don't think college football or even pro football is important in the grand scheme of things)? Is that what makes a conspiracy "real"?

Frankly I haven't gotten deep into Sandy Hook or the Aurora shooting beyond the fact that the Aurora shooter was definitely hopped up on drugs and the Sandy Hook shooter may have been as well. But what about the death of Osama Bin Laden? Does that not count as a "real conspiracy" just because it hasn't gotten the MSM rubber stamp of approval? Let's look at the facts:

1) At first the government said they were watching it on live TV. We even have the "picture" to prove that. Then later we were told there all of the helmet cams failed and there was no video feed. So what were they looking at?

2) At first Pakistan released a picture of the dead OBL. Then they said the picture was a fake.

3) At first a congressman said he saw pictures of a dead OBL. Then he said he was "mistaken".

4) At first the Pentagon said they did DNA tests to prove it was really OBL. Now they say they don't have OBL's DNA records.

5) OBL's alleged "burial at sea" which was supposedly done "in accordance with Islamic custom" actually violates Islam.

6) Members of the SEAL team that supposedly killed OBL were killed a couple of weeks later....only we learn it was supposedly a different SEAL team 6.

But hey, if you care more about football players' imaginary girlfriends more power to you.

Never confront irrationality with a rational response. In other words, this is a good response gone for naught. Instead, do what I do. In a world of lies, the only way to unravel the mysteries of the colorful metaphors and fancy superfluous similes of the media is by way of deep emotional interpretation.

I remember one of jmdrake's favorite 9/11 factoids used to be how the FBI admitted that former Chief of the Pakistani Inter-services Intelligence helped wire $100,000 to Muhammad Attah, and then the 9/11 Commission essentially said that whoever funded the 19 hijackers was immaterial.

I mean, $#@!, that's like a prosecutor saying that whoever funded the hitman isn't worth investigating.

[ClydeCoulter]

Never confront irrationality with a rational response. In other words, this is a good response gone for naught. Instead, do what I do. In a world of lies, the only way to unravel the mysteries of the colorful metaphors and fancy superfluous similes of the media is by way of deep emotional interpretation.

I remember one of jmdrake's favorite 9/11 factoids used to be how the FBI admitted that former Chief of the Pakistani Inter-services Intelligence helped wire $100,000 to Muhammad Attah, and then the 9/11 Commission essentially said that whoever funded the 19 hijackers was immaterial.

I mean, $#@!, that's like a prosecutor saying that whoever funded the hitman isn't worth investigating.

You can nest QUOTE's

edit: Not meaning to correct you, only give you a way to show the timeline of events

[idiom]

You can nest QUOTE's

edit: Not meaning to correct you, only give you a way to show the timeline of events

Is there an easy way to do this? The forum stopped nesting quotes automatically and I never found out how to turn it back on.

[idiom]

I remember one of jmdrake's favorite 9/11 factoids used to be how the FBI admitted that former Chief of the Pakistani Inter-services Intelligence helped wire $100,000 to Muhammad Attah, and then the 9/11 Commission essentially said that whoever funded the 19 hijackers was immaterial.

I mean, $#@!, that's like a prosecutor saying that whoever funded the hitman isn't worth investigating.

Not wanting do get difficult answers is not the same as proof of a conspiracy. The US has a tonne of two faced relationships that require actively maintaining blindness to tolerate. Most of these are known and well understood. The MSM will never call them out in an interview, because they will never get an interview again. The establishment ignores them because its the only way to get their job done. Maybe its a job they shouldn't be doing, but America votes consistently to maintain a two-faced foreign policy because it ensure cheap oil and that Americans don't have to work too hard.

Maybe before the investigation gets to the root cause, its gets as far as Michael Moore got, which was Saudi backing. Michael Moore got completely ignored because America *must not* be enemies with Saudi Arabia.

Denial is not the same as a cover-up although it leaves a trail of mistakes and hypocrisy and retracted statements which looks pretty similar.

[jmdrake]

Not wanting do get difficult answers is not the same as proof of a conspiracy. The US has a tonne of two faced relationships that require actively maintaining blindness to tolerate. Most of these are known and well understood. The MSM will never call them out in an interview, because they will never get an interview again. The establishment ignores them because its the only way to get their job done. Maybe its a job they shouldn't be doing, but America votes consistently to maintain a two-faced foreign policy because it ensure cheap oil and that Americans don't have to work too hard.

Maybe before the investigation gets to the root cause, its gets as far as Michael Moore got, which was Saudi backing. Michael Moore got completely ignored because America *must not* be enemies with Saudi Arabia.

Denial is not the same as a cover-up although it leaves a trail of mistakes and hypocrisy and retracted statements which looks pretty similar.

If you "deny" looking into the money man of a crime, that is by $#@!ing definition a cover up. It matters not why the "denial" is done.

[KingNothing]

Not wanting do get difficult answers is not the same as proof of a conspiracy. The US has a tonne of two faced relationships that require actively maintaining blindness to tolerate. Most of these are known and well understood. The MSM will never call them out in an interview, because they will never get an interview again. The establishment ignores them because its the only way to get their job done. Maybe its a job they shouldn't be doing, but America votes consistently to maintain a two-faced foreign policy because it ensure cheap oil and that Americans don't have to work too hard.

Maybe before the investigation gets to the root cause, its gets as far as Michael Moore got, which was Saudi backing. Michael Moore got completely ignored because America *must not* be enemies with Saudi Arabia.

Denial is not the same as a cover-up although it leaves a trail of mistakes and hypocrisy and retracted statements which looks pretty similar.

Powerful post, my friend!

[idiom]

Hello BlackTerrel. Let me see if I understand you. Do you only care about unimportant conspiracies (such as the girlfriend of some football player I've never heard of because I don't think college football or even pro football is important in the grand scheme of things)? Is that what makes a conspiracy "real"?

Frankly I haven't gotten deep into Sandy Hook or the Aurora shooting beyond the fact that the Aurora shooter was definitely hopped up on drugs and the Sandy Hook shooter may have been as well. But what about the death of Osama Bin Laden? Does that not count as a "real conspiracy" just because it hasn't gotten the MSM rubber stamp of approval? Let's look at the facts:

1) At first the government said they were watching it on live TV. We even have the "picture" to prove that. Then later we were told there all of the helmet cams failed and there was no video feed. So what were they looking at?

2) At first Pakistan released a picture of the dead OBL. Then they said the picture was a fake.

3) At first a congressman said he saw pictures of a dead OBL. Then he said he was "mistaken".

4) At first the Pentagon said they did DNA tests to prove it was really OBL. Now they say they don't have OBL's DNA records.

5) OBL's alleged "burial at sea" which was supposedly done "in accordance with Islamic custom" actually violates Islam.

6) Members of the SEAL team that supposedly killed OBL were killed a couple of weeks later....only we learn it was supposedly a different SEAL team 6.

But hey, if you care more about football players' imaginary girlfriends more power to you.

The above are questions, not answers. You need speculation free answers, preferably with documentation or witnesses.

Otherwise you end up in the group that sees blurry footage of the strike on the Pentagon and decides it was definitely a SCUD missile even though Scuds are ballistic and not surface skimming then claim its declassified proof.

[ClydeCoulter]

The above are questions, not answers. You need speculation free answers, preferably with documentation or witnesses.

Otherwise you end up in the group that sees blurry footage of the strike on the Pentagon and decides it was definitely a SCUD missile even though Scuds are ballistic and not surface skimming then claim its declassified proof.

Yea, he needs a team with access to "eyes only", then he can get to the bottom of it. Until then, questions that beg the question are all we can do. There are things that you know, and there are things that cannot be proven, but can be demonstrated.