Declaration to Uphold the Second Amendment

[Deborah K]

Okay, I really think we need to put one together that we can disseminate. Shane77 started a petition that isn't getting legs but here's the content:

We the signers of this petition demand the current administration halt all attempts at nullifying the Second Amendment and at all attempts to disarm American citizens.

American citizens have an unalienable right to defend themselves. This is a right that this administration is trying to remove. The government is the servant of the people and not the other way around. WE THE PEOPLE are the ones that keep you employed. WE THE PEOPLE pay your salary. WE THE PEOPLE are your boss.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

I don't think this needs to be a petition per say, just a statement. And I kinda like the idea of quoting from the DOI as a way to re-introduce it and REMIND any pols who see it that we know our God-given rights.

I also intend to contact Stewart Rhodes and Larry Pratt tomorrow. It would be great if I had some ideas from us to pass along.

Input please?

[kathy88]

I like this bit posted by Nobody's Hero in the thread about the racist roots of gun control. From our own Supreme Court Circa..... a long time ago.

The right of the whole people, old and young, men, women and boys, and not militia only, to keep and bear arms of every description, and not such merely as are used by the militia, shall not be infringed, curtailed, or broken in upon, in the smallest degree; and all of this for the important end to be attained: the rearing up and qualifying a well-regulated militia, so vitally necessary to the security of a free State. Our opinion is, that any law, State or Federal, is repugnant to the Constitution, and void, which contravenes this right, originally belonging to our forefathers, trampled under foot by Charles I. and his two wicked sons and successors, reestablished by the revolution of 1688, conveyed to this land of liberty by the colonists, and finally incorporated conspicuously in our own Magna Charta! And Lexington, Concord, Camden, River Raisin, Sandusky, and the laurel-crowned field of New Orleans, plead eloquently for this interpretation! [20]

[Deborah K]

Now we're talkin'.

[shane77m]

Definitely need something written by a good writer. It might be too late though judging by today's news. Better get it done fast.

Maybe it could get started with a Farcebook page and eventually evolve into a website. Farcebook would probably be the fastest way or maybe a Wordpress blog.

[Deborah K]

Here's the wording for the letter circulating to Feinstein, some of this could be used.

I will not register any weapons I might possess, should this bill be passed, as I do not believe it is the government’s right to know what I own. Nor do I think it prudent to tell you what I own so that it may be taken from me by a group of people who enjoy armed protection yet decry me having the same a crime. You ma’am/sir have overstepped a line that is not your domain. I am an American citizen, protected by the Constitution, and I will not have anybody who proclaims the evil of an inanimate object, yet enjoys daily personal protection with these same objects, tell me I may not have one.

I am not your subject. I am the citizen who keeps you free. I am not your servant. I am the citizen you call upon to fight your wars. I am not your peasant. I am the flesh and blood of America.

I am an American citizen. You will not take away my Constitutional rights because of the actions of another.

I will not be disarmed to suit the fear that has been established by the media and your misinformation campaign against the American public.

We, the people, deserve better than you.

[Deborah K]

Definitely need something written by a good writer. It might be too late though judging by today's news. Better get it done fast.

Maybe it could get started with a Farcebook page and eventually evolve into a website. Farcebook would probably be the fastest way or maybe a Wordpress blog.

Who on these forums claims to be good with writing and grammar? Do you know? I was out of the loop for too long this past year and still need to catch up.

[shane77m]

I don't know who would be good at writing. When you find someone, convincing them to do it might be another hill to climb.

[Deborah K]

That's okay. Nothing worth while ever comes easy.

[GuerrillaXXI]

One issue with that declaration is that anti-gun politicians and their lemmings will argue, "We're not trying to 'disarm' you. We just want to outlaw military-style weapons and high-capacity magazines. You can keep your hunting rifles and sporting guns."

What these people don't understand is that the Second Amendment is about combat weapons, armor-piercing ammo, and all other arms (at least small arms) that allow a population of millions to keep the balance of power in their favor versus the government. It also pertains to the civilian possession of body armor, night-vision equipment, and all other such infantry equipment. (Larger weapons, such as jet fighters, are a moot issue and are of highly questionable value when possessed by individuals who aren't backed by large maintenance teams and associated infrastructure. So IMO we should focus on small arms.)

[Deborah K]

One issue with that declaration is that anti-gun politicians and their lemmings will argue, "We're not trying to 'disarm' you. We just want to outlaw military-style weapons and high-capacity magazines. You can keep your hunting rifles and sporting guns."

What these people don't understand is that the Second Amendment is about combat weapons, armor-piercing ammo, and all other arms (at least small arms) that allow a population of millions to keep the balance of power in their favor versus the government. It also pertains to the civilian possession of body armor, night-vision equipment, and all other such infantry equipment. (Larger weapons, such as jet fighters, are a moot issue and are of highly questionable value when possessed by an individual who aren't backed by large maintenance teams and associated infrastructure. So IMO we should focus on small arms.)

We can make sure something to that effect gets put in it. I've seen good info on the original intent of including militias in the second. It needs to be clarified on many levels.

[Tod]

We better have an answer when they say, "Do you think just anyone should be able to have a nuclear weapon??" Where is our line at, anyway?

[Deborah K]

We better have an answer when they say, "Do you think just anyone should be able to have a nuclear weapon??" Where is our line at, anyway?

We aren't making a demand for nuclear weapons. We're demanding the right keep the 2nd amendment:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Anything else is a false argument intended to change the subject much like they do with abortion and other things.

[Deborah K]

Infringement is the issue here. Our 2nd is being infringed upon.

Infringe: Verb
1.Actively break the terms of (a law, agreement, etc.): "infringe a copyright".
2.Act so as to limit or undermine (something); encroach on: "infringe on his privacy".

[Tod]

This needs to avoid becoming a war of attrition. Manufacturers need to be protected in order that a tyrannical government cannot strangle the supply of not only existing tools but also future ones.

[Tod]

More than two hundred years ago, our ancestors fought a war against a tyrannical government and in the process won their independence. That victory would not have been possible without the proper tools. Over the years, the tools have changed but the need citizens have to ensure their government does not trample on their rights remains unchanged.

Today, our government is at the verge of effectively infringing upon this right by relegating obsolete tools to citizen use, but we the people must and will stand fast and defend our right of self-defense against all enemies, foreign and domestic, in order to preserve these great united States.

To that end, I will not register any weapons I might possess. It is beyond the authority of the government to know what I own and for me to divulge a list would be imprudent. With this proposed legislation our government has overstepped the line on the balance of power between the people and the government and we must not allow it to stand if we wish to avoid a descent into tyranny.

I am an American citizen, with my natural rights enumerated in the Constitution. I will not, shall not, stand idle while leaders who enjoy armed protection try to tell me I may not enjoy the same means of defense. I am not a subject, but a free citizen. I am not a servant, but a volunteer who defends our nation. I am not a peasant, but the flesh and blood of America and my right to bear arms shall not be infringed.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

We better have an answer when they say, "Do you think just anyone should be able to have a nuclear weapon??" Where is our line at, anyway?

Why do you want a nuclear weapon? I'll go on record now - to not prevent you from owning a nuclear weapon if you like. I will also go on record as not expecting you to register it.

If you think you just can't help yourself, I'll come to your house and search for such weapons once a week. Cool with you? Don't tell me you don't have one, because I don't really know without a good search.

[Pericles]

Any vote to further infringe on the right of the people to keep and bear arms is a vote for civil war.

[Tod]

We aren't making a demand for nuclear weapons. We're demanding the right keep the 2nd amendment:



Anything else is a false argument intended to change the subject much like they do with abortion and other things.

But nuclear arms is just a subset of arms. Therefore one cannot take nuclear arms out of the equation without infringing on arms. Therefore, we need to clarify that either nuclear arms are fair game or if they aren't why not.

[Deborah K]

But nuclear arms is just a subset of arms. Therefore one cannot take nuclear arms out of the equation without infringing on arms. Therefore, we need to clarify that either nuclear arms are fair game or if they aren't why not.

But so are fighter jets, armored tanks and so on. If someone tries to make this an issue we need to just expose their motive which is to create a slippery slope. This isn't about nuclear weapons. And the opposition should be grateful we're not making it about that.

[Deborah K]

More than two hundred years ago, our ancestors fought a war against a tyrannical government and in the process won their independence. That victory would not have been possible had the citizens not possessed the tools necessary. Over the years, the tools have changed but the need remains the same for citizens to ensure a government that does not trample on their rights.

Today, our government is at the verge of effectively infringing upon this right by restricting citizens to the use of obsolete tools, but we the people must and will stand fast and defend our right of self-defense against all enemies, foreign and domestic, in order to preserve these great united States.

To that end, I will not register any weapons I might possess. It is outside the authority of the government to know what I own. It would not be prudent to divulge what weapons I own because the likelihood that an attempt to take them from me would be successful increases. With this proposed legislation, our government has overstepped the line on the balance of power between the people and the government. I am an American citizen, protected by the Constitution, and I will not have anybody who proclaims the evil of an inanimate object, yet enjoys daily personal protection with these same objects, tell me I may not enjoy the same protection.

I am not your subject. I am the citizen who keeps you free. I am not your servant. I am the citizen you call upon to fight your wars. I am not your peasant. I am the flesh and blood of America and I shall not be disarmed.

This is really good. A couple of sentences are a little hard to understand. We need to add in the Biden bs from today too.

[Tod]

This is really good. A couple of sentences are a little hard to understand. We need to add in the Biden bs from today too.

Which ones need improvement? Be brutal, I can take it. I'll have to listen/read what Biden was saying again.

[Deborah K]

It would not be prudent to divulge what weapons I own because the likelihood that an attempt to take them from me would be successful increases.

I get what you're saying, I think it just needs rewording.

I am an American citizen, protected by the Constitution, and I will not have anybody who proclaims the evil of an inanimate object, yet enjoys daily personal protection with these same objects, tell me I may not enjoy the same protection.

This one is a run-on. It may need to be broken up into two sentences?

[Tod]

edited it again to try to whittle down the verbiage.

Deb, I'm not sure that we want to introduce language that will quickly become dated, do we?

[Tod]

and again...

[Deborah K]

edited it again to try to whittle down the verbiage.

Deb, I'm not sure that we want to introduce language that will quickly become dated, do we?

What do you mean? By adding Biden's crap in today?

[Tod]

Well, I don't think we want to name Biden. He's just the latest tyrant wannabee. We might make some sort of reference to EO's if you want (I assume that is what you are talking about).

[Deborah K]

Well, I don't think we want to name Biden. He's just the latest tyrant wannabee. We might make some sort of reference to EO's if you want (I assume that is what you are talking about).

exactly.

[Tod]

exactly.

Well. Got any ideas?

[Deborah K]

I'll try and come up with something first thing tomorrow. I need to think about it. Gonna call Stewart Rhodes tomorrow too. Thanks for working on this Todd. I'll give it to him if he asks if we've come up with something.

[Tod]

I'll try and come up with something first thing tomorrow. I need to think about it. Gonna call Stewart Rhodes tomorrow too. Thanks for working on this Todd. I'll give it to him if he asks if we've come up with something.

Yes, it is always beneficial to sleep on writing. I just edited it a little more.

Again, the fed's easiest targets will be the manufacturers and retailers. Cut us off at the source. They need protection.