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    "Mommy & Daddy" Protest France: 340,000 take to streets; anti-LGBT-adoption




    AP/ January 13, 2013, 6:40 PM

    More than 300,000 rally against same-sex marriage in Paris

    People take part in a protest organized by French far-right party Front national (FN) party
    against same-sex marriage




    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-...iage-in-paris/
    Holding aloft ancient flags and young children, hundreds of thousands of people converged Sunday on the Eiffel Tower to protest the French president's plan to legalize same-sex marriage and thus allow same-sex couples to adopt and conceive children. The opposition to President Francois Hollande's plan has underscored divisions among the secular-but-Catholic French, especially more traditional rural areas versus urban enclaves. But while polls show the majority of French still support legalizing gay marriage, that backing gets more lukewarm when children come into play.
    The protest march started at three points across Paris, filling boulevards throughout the city as demonstrators walked three miles to the grounds of France's most recognizable monument. Paris police estimated the crowd at 340,000, making it one of the largest demonstrations in Paris since an education protest in 1984.
    "This law is going to lead to a change of civilization that we don't want," said Philippe Javaloyes, a literature teacher who bused in with 300 people from Franche Comte in the far east. "We have nothing against different ways of living, but we think that a child must grow up with a mother and a father."
    Public opposition spearheaded by religious leaders has chipped away at the popularity of Hollande's plan in recent months. About 52 percent of French favor legalizing gay marriage, according to a survey released Sunday, down from as high as 65 percent in August.
    French civil unions, allowed since 1999, are at least as popular among heterosexuals as among gay and lesbian couples. But that law has no provisions for adoption or assisted reproduction, which are at the heart of the latest debate.


    I pretty sure thats the Flag of Brittany:



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Brittany






    Ron Paul:

    Our position is to stay out of people's lives.

    I would like the state to stay out of marriage.
    I think marriage should be something that you do in a church.
    Me; personally, I would do it it in a church.
    Voluntary association should not be interfered with by the state.
    So, I just assume, the state not issue licenses or define marriage.
    Let the individual; let two people define marriage.
    This would annoy some people, but it would also rid us of the this whole debate.
    I can have my definition and somebody else can have theirs.
    So, its the interference of the state, that gives us this difficulty.

    Mitt Romney said: "I believe marriage is between a man and a woman" what do you think of that?


    I Don't have any problem with that; that is my personal belief.
    I have been married 55 years; that is my personal belief.
    That does not mean I should write laws and force other people to accept my standards.
    I should set a standard, and then maybe, other people will want to emulate it,
    but I do not like using laws to mould peoples behaviour.
    Not because I do not think their behaviour could be improved;
    I just do not believe its to role of the state to make people's behaviour different.
    I don't want to force people in social conditions any more so than in economic conditions.


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    Last edited by presence; 01-14-2013 at 01:31 PM.

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...




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    Maybe I'm just naive, but I didn't think that the French had so many social conservatives.
    "Power tends to confuse itself with virtue...conferring upon it a special responsibility for other nations—to make them richer and happier and wiser, to remake them, that is, in its own shining image. Power confuses itself with virtue and tends also to take itself for omnipotence. Once imbued with the idea of a mission, a great nation easily assumes that it has the means as well as the duty to do God's work." - William Fulbright

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    French civil unions, allowed since 1999, are at least as popular among heterosexuals as among gay and lesbian couples.
    So, common-law marriage, except the government now has to grant consent.

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    government should not be involved at all, not for or against.
    Insanity should be defined as trusting the government to solve a problem they caused in the first place. Please do not go insane!

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    One part of me VERY HAPPY the other part FACEPALM

    How do we get the state out of marriage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pochy1776 View Post
    One part of me VERY HAPPY the other part FACEPALM

    How do we get the state out of marriage?
    There's only one way to do it--outlaw marriage.

    Which isn't to say the state will then leave it alone. On the contrary. It'll try to stamp it out. Fortunately, governments tend not to be efficient.

    But the only way to get government out of x is to outlaw x.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We believe our lying eyes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pochy1776 View Post
    One part of me VERY HAPPY the other part FACEPALM

    How do we get the state out of marriage?
    There's only one way to do it--outlaw marriage.

    Which isn't to say the state will then leave it alone. On the contrary. It'll try to stamp it out. Fortunately, governments tend not to be efficient.

    But the only way to get government out of x is to outlaw x. But there's another catch to it besides the 'stamp it out' thing. Just as soon as overt government declares it illegal and gets out of it, the CIA moves in on it.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 01-19-2013 at 02:32 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We believe our lying eyes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by seyferjm View Post
    Maybe I'm just naive, but I didn't think that the French had so many social conservatives.
    It does. It also has a lot of anti-immigrant social conservatives. There is a backlash by social conservatives all over Western Europe against immigrants and Islam.
    Lifetime member of more than 1 national gun organization and the New Hampshire Liberty Alliance. Part of Young Americans for Liberty and Campaign for Liberty. Free State Project participant and multi-year Free Talk Live AMPlifier.



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    Quote Originally Posted by seyferjm View Post
    Maybe I'm just naive, but I didn't think that the French had so many social conservatives.
    LOL. Double post cuz RPFs is having issues

    Let me take this space to bring up a recent election in France.


    In French Election, Candidates Chase Far-Right Votes
    by Eleanor Beardsley
    May 01, 2012 3:06 AM
    http://www.npr.org/2012/05/01/151707...ar-right-votes

    While Le Pen's third-place finish ended her run, it was the far right's highest score ever in a presidential election.

    Big Gains For Far Right

    The National Front party leader made big gains in many French regions. Her supporters are considered to be largely working class or agrarian. That makes the winegrowing region of Burgundy prime Le Pen territory.

    In the tiny village of Chambolle Musigny, a table of vintners toast their centuries-old way of life and Le Pen's success. With almost 20 percent of the vote, she did nearly twice as well as her father did in 2002 when he shocked the nation by making it into the second-round runoff.

    Winegrower Remy Boursot says there are two main reasons why more people are voting Le Pen.

    "Europe and immigration. As a winegrower, it's Europe that dictates my life. We've lost our sovereignty, and this has killed our small businesses and artisans. We have to get out of the euro currency. And with unemployment on the rise, we hardly need mass immigration," said Boursot. "Yes, people are waking up."

    Francois Fabin, a day laborer who picks Boursot's grapes, puts it more bluntly.

    "If you go to the hospital in the town of Dijon, you see all the African women who come here to have their babies," said Fabin. "We're working to pay for the rest of the world. We can't do it anymore, and the National Front says stop!"

    Despite the tranquil beauty of Burgundy's stone villages and church spires, and the orderliness of neat rows of vines stitched across its hillsides, all is not well here. This presidential election has laid bare deep French fears over issues such as globalization, economic austerity measures and national identity.

    In the blue-collar Burgundy town of Montbard, a metal works factory supplies parts for the powerful French nuclear industry. With jobs to be had and virtually no foreigners, local newspaper editor David Regazzoni says he can't figure out why the people of Montbard are increasingly voting for the far right.

    "Perhaps they are afraid. Afraid to lose what they have — to lose their job, they are afraid by Europe, they are afraid of globalization, even in rural country like this," Regazzoni said.

    Frederic Ravenet, a local Socialist official, says the far right's vote here is no threat yet — but their arguments worry him.

    "Their talk is very aggressive toward foreigners, the homeless, anyone living at the margins of society. And I think hiding behind this kind of a debate is not very healthy for democracy," Ravenet said.
    Last edited by Keith and stuff; 01-19-2013 at 02:36 PM.
    Lifetime member of more than 1 national gun organization and the New Hampshire Liberty Alliance. Part of Young Americans for Liberty and Campaign for Liberty. Free State Project participant and multi-year Free Talk Live AMPlifier.

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    Does it mater? France is a piece of $#@! anyway. Why the hell didn't they protest when the tax was raised to 75%?
    "Corruptisima republica plurimae leges."

    ---- Tacitus

    I love von Mises and Emma Watson

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    A family is one mommy and one daddy...

    Divorced? Not a family.
    Single parent? Not a family.
    Grandparents raising a child? Not a family.
    Extended family unit raising a child? Not a family.
    etc etc etc
    Genuine, willful, aggressive ignorance is the one sure way to tick me off. I wish I could say you were trolling. I know better, and it's just sad.

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    Good for them! It's nice to see people taking a stand for traditional families!

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    Please XXX (social Conservative) or please XXX (social liberal) please close this thread. Imminent Flame war.



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