Russia to Modernize Their Army

[loveableteddybear]

So, if Russia and NATO were to fight, sans nuclear weapons, would Russia be formidable enough to exact so many losses as to force a ceasefire, or would they fold like every other organized military that has faced NATO in the last few decades?

[loveableteddybear]

It was after the fall of the Soviet Union and no one knew who was eating and drinking and who was paying. They were sending conscript units telling them they would act as garrison troops and instead they were going directly into Grozni .They were even cases where they sent a few units of Spetsnaz into the city telling they should hold a few streets and leaving them there for weeks.

On the other side the rebels knew the terrain were almost all ex-soldiers because of compulsory service for a year or two dependent on the time period and had all the weapons they needed from the soviet arsenals.The Russians were sending armored columns into the city and the Chechens picked them off with RPG`s from the basements and apartment blocks.Also most of the city`s had major Russian population so they never used strategical bombers or balistical missiles

It would be something like if Virginia,Washington,Texas and California left the Union,then the USA having an economic collapse and then Colorado or some other state rebels with force and is being supplied from Texas.I don't think that the USA army would be in a pretty good shape or organisation to handle the situation.

+rep, thanks for the info.

[jmdrake]

Why did Russia do so bad in Chechnya? On paper they should mop the floor with anyone other than us.

How would the Russian air force fare against the Chinese?

Long term guerrilla conflicts against a population that is generationally dedicated to driving you out are almost always impossible to win. Really, who "surrenders" to you in a Chechnya or Vietnam or Afghanistan? And it ain't like the old days where you could just wipe out the indigenous population without someone saying something. (You still can, you just have to be more circumspect in how.)

[Demigod]

Long term guerrilla conflicts against a population that is generationally dedicated to driving you out are almost always impossible to win. Really, who "surrenders" to you in a Chechnya or Vietnam or Afghanistan? And it ain't like the old days where you could just wipe out the indigenous population without someone saying something. (You still can, you just have to be more circumspect in how.)

Yes but unlike Afghanistan and Vietnam the Russians had a large populations of Russians + Cossacks who were loyal and fought against the rebels (and not the kind of South Vietnam Afghanistan way ).They used fuel-air explosives ( and a few massacres ) to scare most of Chechnians to flee and in the end overwhelmed everything with manpower.Today the rebellion is completely destroyed.Chechsnia is also a small region unlike Afghanistan or Vietnam.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Let's keep this simply perspective: Russia's trade surplus'

2012: $204.2 Billion
2011 $198.2 Billion
2010 to $167.5 Billion
2009: $135.3 Billion

Now back to sefdom...

US government has learned from history and the Middle and poor classes are paying in blood and inflation, but they don't give a shit, there's far greater powers that control or partner-up with the clowns in Congress to use US & sell US all out. THE FED fuels the machine by proxy of their printing machines.

Waiting for that state ruled conscription, which is just militarized slavery. Hmm... maybe they can use prison inmates to be sent overseas into 'Penal Panzer Units' sound familiar? Doesn't matter the country, the state can cloth/treat you any way they wish, and it will suck. So ramp-up the Banksters & MIC WWIII 'RISK' game, it will be the ending to freedoms in every country/state. Won't take much propaganda on the American jello brained society to reduce age of conscription or use 'Sub-Human Slave Inmates' to "Save The Nation" under Jingoism/Nationalism/Fear Fascism.


check this little Afghan/Soviet gem out: http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...asis)/page2864

Long term guerrilla conflicts against a population that is generational dedicated to driving you out are almost always impossible to win. Really, who "surrenders" to you in a Chechnya or Vietnam or Afghanistan? And it ain't like the old days where you could just wipe out the indigenous population without someone saying something. (You still can, you just have to be more circumspect in how.)