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    In last year's Victory Day parade, there was only one piece of equipment in use, that was in service with Soviet forces in 1990. The Russian army is trying to modernize itself.
    Out of every one hundred men they send us, ten should not even be here. Eighty will do nothing but serve as targets for the enemy. Nine are real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, upon them depends our success in battle. But one, ah the one, he is a real warrior, and he will bring the others back from battle alive.

    Duty is the most sublime word in the English language. Do your duty in all things. You can not do more than your duty. You should never wish to do less than your duty.



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    I know this was posted as a joke, but it might not be bad information to know in a SHTF scenario.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loveableteddybear View Post
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    I wonder , will the Russians make the troops pay for the socks ? That is how we would do it, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pericles View Post
    In last year's Victory Day parade, there was only one piece of equipment in use, that was in service with Soviet forces in 1990. The Russian army is trying to modernize itself.
    How would they fare against the Chinese?

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    Quote Originally Posted by loveableteddybear View Post
    How would they fare against the Chinese?
    I'd give the Russians the edge in the following areas (A) operational maneuver commnad and control (B) AVFs appear to have higher quality fire control, stabilization, thermal sights, and ability to manufacture some type of tank CITV which gives the tank crew the ability to more rapidly engage subsequent targets (C) use of combined arms - infantry, armor, artillery, aviation, special forces.

    I'd give the Chinese the edge in maintaining unit cohesion and ability to take losses and continue to fight - plus the inevitible fact that quantity has a quality of its own.
    Out of every one hundred men they send us, ten should not even be here. Eighty will do nothing but serve as targets for the enemy. Nine are real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, upon them depends our success in battle. But one, ah the one, he is a real warrior, and he will bring the others back from battle alive.

    Duty is the most sublime word in the English language. Do your duty in all things. You can not do more than your duty. You should never wish to do less than your duty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pericles View Post
    I'd give the Russians the edge in the following areas (A) operational maneuver commnad and control (B) AVFs appear to have higher quality fire control, stabilization, thermal sights, and ability to manufacture some type of tank CITV which gives the tank crew the ability to more rapidly engage subsequent targets (C) use of combined arms - infantry, armor, artillery, aviation, special forces.

    I'd give the Chinese the edge in maintaining unit cohesion and ability to take losses and continue to fight - plus the inevitible fact that quantity has a quality of its own.
    When you consider Russians or Eastern Europeans in general the ability to take losses and take it to the end is not really a trait anyone can edge them out.
    Last edited by Demigod; 01-23-2013 at 01:47 PM.

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    Why did Russia do so bad in Chechnya? On paper they should mop the floor with anyone other than us.

    How would the Russian air force fare against the Chinese?

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    It was after the fall of the Soviet Union and no one knew who was eating and drinking and who was paying. They were sending conscript units telling them they would act as garrison troops and instead they were going directly into Grozni .They were even cases where they sent a few units of Spetsnaz into the city telling they should hold a few streets and leaving them there for weeks.

    On the other side the rebels knew the terrain were almost all ex-soldiers because of compulsory service for a year or two dependent on the time period and had all the weapons they needed from the soviet arsenals.The Russians were sending armored columns into the city and the Chechens picked them off with RPG`s from the basements and apartment blocks.Also most of the city`s had major Russian population so they never used strategical bombers or balistical missiles

    It would be something like if Virginia,Washington,Texas and California left the Union,then the USA having an economic collapse and then Colorado or some other state rebels with force and is being supplied from Texas.I don't think that the USA army would be in a pretty good shape or organisation to handle the situation.
    Last edited by Demigod; 01-23-2013 at 02:12 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demigod View Post
    When you consider Russians or Eastern Europeans in general the ability to take losses and take it to the end is not really a trait anyone can edge them out.
    We have limited data points to assess effectiveness. Looking at China in 1979 Vietnam, 1962 India, and the Korean War, is not the same as the PLA today, but each case was a willingness to conduct offensive operations against another military.

    We look at Russia in Chechnia or Georgia, or even the Soviets in Afghanistan, they are not fighting other national military organizations (although Georgia was in the process of trying to create one).

    Army vs. army is a different dynamic, than army vs. militia, or vs. insurgency, or against an unarmed population. Most military organizations train to fight other military units, until the political leadership try to use the military to "nation build" and other unsuitable tasks.

    My view of Russia is that they are working to try to have a similar level of professionalism as the NATO countries. China seems to have a political element to the PLA, and are still about a generation behind the Russians in what I think is the quality of their major weapons systems.
    Last edited by Pericles; 01-24-2013 at 10:19 AM.
    Out of every one hundred men they send us, ten should not even be here. Eighty will do nothing but serve as targets for the enemy. Nine are real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, upon them depends our success in battle. But one, ah the one, he is a real warrior, and he will bring the others back from battle alive.

    Duty is the most sublime word in the English language. Do your duty in all things. You can not do more than your duty. You should never wish to do less than your duty.

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