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    Private Pilot Nearly Shot Down for Violating "Secret No-Fly Zone"-- in the USA!!!

    Will Grigg:

    Last July, the Small Wars Journal published an essay co-written by retired U.S. Army Colonel Kevin Benson entitled “Full Spectrum Operations in the Homeland: A `Vision’ of the Future.” That article presented a speculative case study of domestic military operations to put down a domestic insurrection that would seize control of the unremarkable town of Darlington, South Carolina.

    In the scenario painted by Col. Benson and his co-author, Professor Jennifer Weber of the University of Kansas, a militia inspired by the Tea Party movement seized control of Darlington’s municipal government, erects checkpoints “on major transportation lines,” and imposes a form of martial law in which “citizens who complain are immediately detained.” The governor of South Carolina invokes the Insurrection Act, leading to a “full-spectrum” response by the U.S. military.

    Shortly after that essay was published, 70-year-old private pilot Robin Fleming learned that Darlington County – or at least the airspace above it – is already subject to a form of martial law.

    Fleming, who belongs to the Bermuda High Soaring aviation club in Lancaster, South Carolina, went for an afternoon glider flight last July in Darlington County. His course briefly took him over the HB Robinson Nuclear Generating Station near Lake Robinson. As he was preparing to return to Lancaster, Fleming lost radio contact with the other members of the club. Hours passed as his friends imagined the worst. Finally they filed a missing aircraft report, and a search began. To their relief, Fleming contacted them – only to leave them horrified when they learned what had happened.

    After Fleming passed over the power plant, he was ordered to land his glider, which he did as soon as prevailing wind currents permitted. Once he was down on the ground, Fleming was swarmed by law enforcement.

    Fleming was informed that he had violated a “secret no-fly zone.” This was an entirely spurious claim: There is no such thing as a domestic "no-fly zone," secret or otherwise. That term, significantly, is used to describe aerial blockades imposed by the military -- generally under the purported authority of a multilateral body, such as the UN or one of its regional affiliates -- against a "rogue nation," such as Iraq or Libya. The Homeland Security Department apparently considers itself entitled to impose similar restrictions wherever it chooses, and do so without bothering to inform civilian pilots or make suitable notations on FAA-produced sectional aviation charts.

    Despite the fact that he had done nothing wrong, Fleming was handcuffed, charged with “breach of peace,” and held for more than 24 hours before being interrogated by FBI and Homeland Security officials. The charges were dismissed after he showed the investigators that the zone wasn’t marked in aviation charts – but he was required to sign a document promising that he wouldn’t file a lawsuit against the officials who had illegally detained him. He later learned that local police officials had made preparations to shoot down his glider if he hadn’t landed as quickly as he did.

    Fleming did nothing illegal – yet he was brutalized by people who had been prepared to kill him, and could have done so without consequences. Such is life in our Homeland Security State.



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    Pre 9/11 the space above any nuclear generating station is restricted air space. He should have known better

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    The article from the SWJ was replied to by Matt Bracken, former navy seal and patriot:

    http://westernrifleshooters.wordpres...w-at-the-coup/

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    but he was requiredForced to sign a document promising that he wouldn’t file a lawsuit against the officials who had illegally detained him.
    ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by dejavu22 View Post
    Pre 9/11 the space above any nuclear generating station is restricted air space. He should have known better
    "Fleming was informed that he had violated a 'secret no-fly zone'."

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    No date on this FAA regulation but:
    http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/notams.html
    4/0811 ...SPECIAL NOTICE... THIS IS A RESTATEMENT OF A PREVIOUSLY ISSUED ADVISORY NOTICE. IN THE INTEREST OF NATIONAL SECURITY AND TO THE EXTENT PRACTICABLE, PILOTS ARE STRONGLY ADVISED TO AVOID THE AIRSPACE ABOVE, OR IN PROXIMITY TO SUCH SITES AS POWER PLANTS (NUCLEAR, HYDRO-ELECTRIC, OR COAL), DAMS, REFINERIES, INDUSTRIAL COMPLEXES, MILITARY FACILITIES AND OTHER SIMILAR FACILITIES. PILOTS SHOULD NOT CIRCLE AS TO LOITER IN THE VICINITY OVER THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES. WIE UNTIL UFN
    Found google item but link is broken which says this is from 2007. Found another link from 2006 which mentions the regulation. AT any rate, it has been on the books for several years. That would make it not a "secret no-fly zone rule but a published one". Pilots should be aware.

    Fleming was informed that he had violated a “secret no-fly zone." This was an entirely spurious claim: There is no such thing as a domestic "no-fly zone," secret or otherwise.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 01-15-2013 at 04:05 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    AT any rate, it has been on the books for several years. That would make it not a "secret no-fly zone". Pilots should be aware.
    Is it really a secret then?

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    Would not seem so.



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    thanks for sharing

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    Airspace above nuclear plants has always been restricted, going back forever way pre 9/11 for good reason. The article and the guy in the glider are both stupid.

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    The point of the article seemed to be to try to stir up fears of "marital law" being imposed.

    That article presented a speculative case study of domestic military operations to put down a domestic insurrection that would seize control of the unremarkable town of Darlington, South Carolina.

    In the scenario painted by Col. Benson and his co-author, Professor Jennifer Weber of the University of Kansas, a militia inspired by the Tea Party movement seized control of Darlington’s municipal government, erects checkpoints “on major transportation lines,” and imposes a form of martial law in which “citizens who complain are immediately detained.” The governor of South Carolina invokes the Insurrection Act, leading to a “full-spectrum” response by the U.S. military.

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    LibForestPaul
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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    Airspace above nuclear plants has always been restricted, going back forever way pre 9/11 for good reason. The article and the guy in the glider are both stupid.
    Point to the law that he broke. Wait, he was released, so no law broken.

    My stolen capital, which was given to these tax parasites, was used to illegally detain an American citizen.

    You wouldn't be one of these tax parasites now would you?

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    Not being able to fly over a nuclear reactor makes sense to me...

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    There is no such thing as the Chain of Command, only the Chain of Obedience.

    The people that enforce illegal, unlawful and unconstitutional laws are living proof of the Chain of Obedience. When people start to think for themselves and refuse to enforce these laws that are designed to protect the Govt, Corporatations, and their Banking Overlords, then well begin to walk the path back to freedom.
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    Truthfully a glider or small aircraft is more worrysome to a nuclear facility due to the fact that someone could try to land within the security fences. Shortly after 9/11 I had to stop with my father at a nuclear plant for him to get something he left at his desk and they wouldn't let me through the outer security. So while he went to his desk I had to sit in the security building with a guard with an
    M4-a1 babysitting me. Prior to 9/11 though I had no issues getting through the outer fence.

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    Do the police really have anti-aircraft weapons now?

    He later learned that local police officials had made preparations to shoot down his glider if he hadn’t landed as quickly as he did.
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