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    A Must Read for the 2nd Amendment-this is the article that somehow disappeared from Forbes website yesterday. H/T:TC

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    Psychiatric Drugs, Not A Lack Of Gun Control, Are The Common Denominator In Murderous Violence
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    Lawrence Hunter, Contributor - I write about the intersection of economics and politics.

    In 2000, New York legislators recognized the ubiquitous and unambiguous connection between violence, especially gun violence and mass murder, and the widespread prescribed use of psychiatric drugs. Senate Bill 7035 was introduced in the New York State Senate that year requiring police agencies to report to the Department of Criminal Justice Services (DCJS) on certain crimes and suicides committed by a person who is using psychiatric drugs, including assault, homicide, sex offenses, robbery offenses, firearms and other dangerous weapons offenses, kidnapping and arson. The preamble to the bill read, in part:

    There is a large body of scientific research establishing a connection between violence and suicide and the use of psychotropic drugs in some cases. This research, which has been published in peer reviewed publications such as the American Journal of Psychiatry, The Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, and The Journal of Forensic Science, has shown, among other things, that: certain drugs can induce mania (a psychosis which can produce bizarre, grandiose and highly elaborated destructive plans, including mass murder);. . .and certain drugs can produce an acute psychotic reaction in an individual not previously psychotic....>>MORE

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    Given the mass of supporting data linking psychiatric drug use/withdrawal and violence, and given the fact it has been ignored studiously by the U.S. Congress and federal agencies, it is well past time that Congress and state legislatures and government agencies at all levels formally investigate the well established link between prescribed use of psychiatric drugs, school shootings and similar acts of senseless violence.

    This video reveals the indisputable connection between psychiatric drugs and violence, especially young “lone-wolf” shooters in gun massacres.

    As psychiatrist Peter Breggin observes in the video:

    “One of the things in the past that we’ve known about depression is that it very, very rarely leads to violence. It’s only been since the advent of these new SSRI drugs that we’ve had murderers even mass murders taking these antidepressant drugs.”


    Instead of intimidating the NRA into negotiating away Americans’ Second Amendment rights through its seat at the table in Washington, the government should be demanding answers and explanations from PhRMA and the pharmaceutical companies.

    Instead of extorting NRA chairman Dave Keene and NRA president Wayne LaPierre into participating with the gun snatchers’ efforts to nullify the Second Amendment in the name of reducing gun violence, why aren’t the White House and Congress putting former Business Roundtable President and current head of PhRMA, John Castellani, along with the presidents of the pharmaceutical companies on the hot seat?

    Why isn’t Castellani sitting in on White House and congressional meetings about the connection between his products and mass shootings instead of Keene and LaPierre of the NRA?

    Why isn’t there a White House Task Force on the connection between psychiatric drugs and violence, suicide and murder, both gun related and otherwise?

    Why aren’t there congressional hearings on the connection between violence and psychiatric drugs?


    Why aren’t there bills being introduced in Congress and state legislatures to tighten down on the indiscriminate, unmonitored use of these killer drugs?

    Why is the government still suppressing information about the shooters’ psychiatric drug use at Sandy Hook and Virginia Tech?

    Why is the government turning America into a police state in the name of protecting us against nonexistent “reefer madness” while it turns a blind eye to the real, deadly med madness created by psychiatric drugs and the uncontrollable violent rages they produce in some people?

    Could it be there is a quiet conspiracy afoot among pharmaceutical companies, the government and the gun grabbers to make Mr. and Mrs. Gun Owner of America the patsies for the violence and to blame lone-wolf violence on guns rather than psychiatric drugs?

    Could it be that power-hungry politicians and gun snatchers are out to exploit rare tragedies such as Sandy Hook and use the blood of innocent children to scare America into giving up its constitutional rights to own and bear arms and use them as a deterrent against tyranny?

    Could it be that big pharma is today’s big tobacco?

    Could it be there is an intentional effort underway in the centers of power in Washington, DC to hide the truth from the American people about the strong connection between psychiatric drugs and violence and to protect the pharmaceutical companies from civil and criminal charges for their responsibility in these heinous crimes?

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    Could that be the explanation for why there continue to be lawsuits against gun manufacturers — not for defects in their products but rather for the misuse of their products by drug-addled individuals — and why there are few lawsuits against pharmaceutical companies for the obvious flaws in their products, which are producing violence and mayhem?

    Could it be the Gun Control movement is simply a blind; just an effort by the triple alliance of left-fascists, big-government politicians and big-pharma prescription-drug dealers to dose and oppress the American people in the name of public safety, “officer safety” and social order?

    The gun snatchers such as Sen. Dianne Feinstein, New York Governor Andrew Cuomo and New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg all shamefully exploit the bloody murder of children as a pretext to nullify the Second Amendment and short arm the American public with their so-called “assault-weapons” ban and ammunition/clip restrictions. The fact is, the kinds of guns used by mass shooters are far less relevant than the kinds of drugs they were prescribed.
    Why did Forbes delete this article from its website?
    Last edited by Peace Piper; 01-15-2013 at 07:10 AM.
    Michael Moore on Shootings: Maybe it's the Drugs not the Guns http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpinCRaAQOk
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peace Piper View Post
    Why did Forbes delete this article from it's website?
    Why indeed?.........

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    The percentage of people on these medications that commit mass murder is totally insignificant.
    It isn't guns, it isn't video games, it isn't mental illness, it isn't movies, it isn't drugs. It's a combination of everything. We can't just scapegoat "crazy people" or medication or guns or our culture.

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    2nd Amendment Kick

    This is one good argument, by Lawrence Hunter:

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    Lawrence Hunter is chairman of Revolution PAC. He also is president and co-founder of the Social Security Institute (along with Mike Korbey) and serves on the Advisory Board of Gold Standard 2012. Previously, he was chief economist to Jack Kemp at Empower America, former staff director of the congressional Joint Economic Committee, former vice president and chief economist of the U..S. Chamber of Commerce and former Reagan White House adviser.
    Michael Moore on Shootings: Maybe it's the Drugs not the Guns http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpinCRaAQOk
    I don't put this clown in my sig because I like him. This is a damn effective way to fight the grabbers. I've seen it work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingNothing View Post
    The percentage of people on these medications that commit mass murder is totally insignificant.
    NO it is not insignificant when considering that every Mass Shooting involved these drugs.
    It is the common denominator.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingNothing View Post
    The percentage of people on these medications that commit mass murder is totally insignificant.
    It isn't guns, it isn't video games, it isn't mental illness, it isn't movies, it isn't drugs. It's a combination of everything. We can't just scapegoat "crazy people" or medication or guns or our culture.
    Feel Free to explain the combination of these simple statistics:

    1. List of school shootings in the United States
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._United_States

    Prior to 1989, there were only a handful of incidents in which two or more victims were killed by firearms at a school, including the 1966 University of Texas massacre, the 1974 Olean High School shooting, the 1976 California State University, Fullerton massacre, and the 1979 Cleveland Elementary School shooting (the 1927 Bath School disaster was a bombing, not a shooting, with a firearm used only to detonate explosives). School shootings prior to the late 1990s, when they received intensive press and official coverage, were considered local incidents and may be substantially underreported in current tabulations, raising questions as to whether school shootings are actually increasing or are simply receiving more attention in recent years. From 1989 to 2012, there have been at least 40 such incidents.

    2. The first SSRI (New design) Antidepressant --Prozac-- was introduced in 1987
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prozac

    Fluoxetine (also known by the tradenames Prozac, Sarafem, Fontex, among others) is an antidepressant of the selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI) class. Fluoxetine was first documented in 1974 by scientists from Eli Lilly and Company.[1] It was presented to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration in February 1977, with Eli Lilly receiving final approval to market the drug in December 1987. Fluoxetine went off-patent in August 2001

    3. Every school shooter (except apparently KY) has either been on, or withdrawing from, an antidepressant SSRI drug.
    http://ssristories.com/index.php


    Now what follows usually is someone says "correlation does not equal causation".

    Correct.

    That is why immediate examination by non involved, non partisan, non biased medical professionals must be a priority. Anything else is postponing the inevitable. There is clearly enough evidence to warrant immediate hearings.
    Last edited by Peace Piper; 01-15-2013 at 11:28 AM. Reason: forgot #3
    Michael Moore on Shootings: Maybe it's the Drugs not the Guns http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpinCRaAQOk
    I don't put this clown in my sig because I like him. This is a damn effective way to fight the grabbers. I've seen it work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peace Piper View Post
    Feel Free to explain the combination of these simple statistics:

    1. List of school shootings in the United States
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._United_States

    Prior to 1989, there were only a handful of incidents in which two or more victims were killed by firearms at a school, including the 1966 University of Texas massacre, the 1974 Olean High School shooting, the 1976 California State University, Fullerton massacre, and the 1979 Cleveland Elementary School shooting (the 1927 Bath School disaster was a bombing, not a shooting, with a firearm used only to detonate explosives). School shootings prior to the late 1990s, when they received intensive press and official coverage, were considered local incidents and may be substantially underreported in current tabulations, raising questions as to whether school shootings are actually increasing or are simply receiving more attention in recent years. From 1989 to 2012, there have been at least 40 such incidents.

    2. The first SSRI (New design) Antidepressant --Prozac-- was introduced in 1987
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prozac

    Fluoxetine (also known by the tradenames Prozac, Sarafem, Fontex, among others) is an antidepressant of the selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI) class. Fluoxetine was first documented in 1974 by scientists from Eli Lilly and Company.[1] It was presented to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration in February 1977, with Eli Lilly receiving final approval to market the drug in December 1987. Fluoxetine went off-patent in August 2001

    Now what follows usually is someone says "correlation does not equal causation".

    Correct.

    That is why immediate examination by non involved, non partisan, non biased medical professionals must be a priority. Anything else is postponing the inevitable. There is clearly enough evidence to warrant immediate hearings.
    What is the endgame of all of this "pharmageddon"

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    Educating the public doesn't have to equate to legislation.

    The fact that John Q. doesn't know the hazards associated with most drugs is a travesty!

    Drug laws need to be repealed and the public needs honest information...

    What a nice fantasy..

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    NO it is not insignificant when considering that every Mass Shooting involved these drugs.
    It is the common denominator.
    Quote Originally Posted by Peace Piper View Post
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    That is why immediate examination by non involved, non partisan, non biased medical professionals must be a priority. Anything else is postponing the inevitable. There is clearly enough evidence to warrant immediate hearings.
    This. Maybe instead of being of the defense (as we always are) we need to go on the offense and start demanding SSRIs be a major part of the national conversation on "reducing gun violence."
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