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Personally, I'm a huge fan of junk-kicking people when I first meet them. Makes me a real hit at parties.
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I hope that Rand Paul gets back from his trip and starts fighting against the gun confiscation effort.
For real, he needs to hit the circuit on the major talk shows and highlight the much needed facts about the gun debate and grow his profile as the solid, all round constitutional conservative. I've said before that he needs to run with the gun issue esp at this crucial juncture and he will be loved by the the rank and file and adored by the gun community.
When I went to shrines in Japan I took my shoes off in time honored tradition (Doom on them. ). To get respect one must also give respect.
As far as Obama it is slightly different. He stands neither above nor below the host nations political head. They are equals. And I would think that the president of the U.S. would at least be given some understanding of formal customs used in these countries when equals meet.
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45 degrees is the correct angle for a very formal situation, like say, meeting an emperor... It's certainly not an every day bow.... it can be used among equals and doesn't just mean an apology.
Obama didn't quite do it right. But so what? The media used this to promote vague feelings of nationalism at the time...a sentiment which only came back to bite us later when Ron tried to talk about a rational foreign policy during his campaign. There are plenty of real issues to attack Obama on but the "apology tour" thing was always a distraction, IMO.
For like visiting a shrine or temple, or like...when offering condolences, as a very deep sign of regret, or show of deep respect to a very important person. Most of the time though if it's supposed to be as an apology or show of regret, you're supposed to hold the bow there for several seconds, not just a quick down and up.
Anyways this is all kind of irrelevant, IMO...at the time the Japanese media didn't really care at first, and the US media didn't go into nuance. It's all about whether it is acceptable for a US pres (or candidate) to engage in other cultural practices when visiting leaders in other countries. The right wants us to think the US is above all other nations, while the left pushes this sort of idea of world citizenship....so these situations just get used for political purposes often.
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Akihito's bow is quick... and well he was meeting them right at the palace, in Japan, so Obama was technically a guest there... Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Obama...just saying, take the media interpretation with a grain of salt, that's all.
I don't know about his other bow.
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