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    Default Political commentator Jack Hunter, FreedomWorks Director Austin Petersen attack Alex Jones

    Austin Petersen:

    http://www.facebook.com/ProducerPete...68736329852019
    People like Piers Morgan and Alex Jones are what is wrong with American culture.
    http://www.facebook.com/ProducerPete...68735019852150
    ‎"Alex Jones Vs. Piers Morgan"? or more like: "The Redcoat vs. the Pea Brain"
    http://www.facebook.com/ProducerPete...68797439845908
    Alex Jones does not speak for libertarians.
    http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...&type=1&ref=nf
    Piers is a redcoat but Alex is obviously insane.
    http://www.facebook.com/ProducerPete...68930363165949
    One of the great conspiracies of all time was how the KGB and Soviet disinformation agents spread conspiracy theories across America. Genius plan. It worked!
    http://www.facebook.com/ProducerPete...68885643170421
    Alex Jones made an excellent case for gun control last night.
    http://www.facebook.com/ProducerPete...69099523149033
    was once invited by Alex Jones to be on his show. Instead of having me on he cancelled at the last minute and ran a hit piece, claiming I looked like very attractive celebrities. Strange but true! WHY U NO DEBATE ME ALEX JONES?
    http://www.facebook.com/ProducerPete...69099523149033
    As it turns out, Operation Northwoods never happened. Also, Oswald actually shot JFK and the magic bullet theory should have been called the "regular bullet theory". Plus 9/11 wasn't an inside job. And a bonus: The Gulf of Tonkin wasn't actually a false flag at all. Plus there aren't any FEMA camps. Sorry guys, I looked it up.
    Petersen wrote an article on his site about it:
    http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/yo...n-control-cnn/
    The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended.”
    ― Frédéric Bastiat

    CNN talk show host & British transplant Piers Morgan struggled meaninglessly to debate American paranoid conspiracy hustler Alex Jones over the issue of gun control tonight on evening news. Jones stonewalled Morgan for around twenty useless minutes hurling invectives, insults and hyperbole at his host, likely confirming European suspicions that Americans really are lunatics who don’t deserve guns. Despite the fact that Americans do indeed require military grade weaponry for their personal defense, Alex Jones was unable to articulate just why “more guns equal less crime” even though there are plenty of factual statistics to prove that is the case.

    Alex Jones blamed the problems in American society on what he called “mass murder pills” and immediately attacked the corporate sponsor of CNN whom he tried to characterize as poisoning people with antidepressants so they would be motivated to commit murder. Although it is strange that Alex would make that claim as America always has been a statistically more violent nation compared to the UK even since before antidepressants were commonly distributed. The actual statistics of gun crime clearly point to the fact that when American citizens are allowed to conceal carry weapons, multiple-victim shootings decline 84%, deaths from shootings plunge 90% and injuries recede by 82%.

    Morgan invited Jones on his show for what he claimed was supposed to be an honest debate, but Jones nearly immediately launched into filibuster as he did when he appeared on another popular show “The View” two years ago. Piers was unable to get Jones to answer nearly a single question as the Austin, Texas based conspiracy theorist pushed false-flag conspiracy theories such as the Gulf of Tonkin incident, an overly hyped skirmish between American & Vietnamese gunboats which gave Lyndon Johnson an excuse to escalate the hostilities of the war in Vietnam. Jones connected the Gulf of Tonkin to the attacks on 9/11, claiming that sinister forces in the American government either planned or executed the attacks on 9/11. Despite the fact that in order to carry out a secret plan for an inside job it would take nearly $5 trillion dollars to bribe all the participants necessary for the conspiracy, it hasn’t stopped Jones’ millions of followers from being convinced that somehow President George W. Bush might have been a criminal mastermind. No one is quite sure what any of this has to do with gun control.

    Although Piers Morgan was unable to participate an actual debate with Alex Jones, there’s a strong lesson to be learned from the reaction of the fans of conspiracy theories. Jones’ supporters often point to the fact that they identify with the rage that Jones expresses in his screaming rants such as those displayed below. Many of his fans state that they often wish to express their rage and “go off” like Jones does with his non-factual insults and tangential diatribes. It gives insight into just how a society could be delivered into a 1984-like big brother totalitarian state when citizens without critical thinking skills mindlessly express undirected rage at targets they little understand and fail to critically analyze. It also likely gives hope to gun grabbers that they will succeed in their mission to disarm the American populace that can so easily be swayed by hucksters and paranoiacs such as Alex Jones that speak to only their blind rage and never to their sense of intellect or reason.

    The debate below after your obligatory two minutes of hate.
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    Not all conspiracy theorists are Nazis, but all Nazis tend to be conspiracy theorists.
    Petersen's commentator column:
    http://www.thecommentator.com/articl...er_with_a_nazi
    A young, attractive couple joined my group of dedicated liberty activists for cocktails and dinner one night in downtown New York City in the late summer of 2011.

    The man, we’ll call him “Sven”, a handsome blonde of Germanic descent, and his similarly beautiful corn silk-haired girlfriend had been invited to join my friends and I in discussion and debate for the evening. We were all classical liberals, fighting for freedom from oppressive government, for civil rights, liberty and free markets for all.

    But that’s not what one young man at the party believed.

    As the presidential political season approached and the re-election of Barack Obama signaled that there would be no hope for change in leadership, the modern American libertarian movement found itself in a difficult position.

    The campaign of Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul had inspired hordes of free market youth activists, including this author, to his banner. The movement was composed of people from all ages and backgrounds and there was really only one thing that united all of them together, the belief in individual rights and personal liberty.

    This was the second effort for many of these young men and women who had cut their teeth on the 2008 version of the Texas congressman’s campaign for the White House. Noted organizations such as the Campaign for Liberty, Young Americans for Liberty, and the now International Students for Liberty took root and have seen rapid growth across the nation. The total result of this movement has been to create a mini-industry centered on the ideas of limited government and personal freedom. We have our heroes and villains, our clowns and our workhorses. It’s really quite remarkable.

    One self-proclaimed hero (that is up for debate in the community) is a man by the name of Alex Jones, whose conspiracy theory rants are broadcast into millions of homes on a daily basis. Jones is a radio broadcaster whose shows feature stories on how the US government is building camps, presumably to intern Americans in event of national disaster, and that the terrorist attacks of 9/11 were an orchestrated attack carried out by elements within our own government.

    Jones was recently made known to the world through an appearance on CNN’s Piers Morgan show where his maniacal rants and ad hominems painted the British host a perfect stereotype of the gun-toting lunatic American. Although Jones has taken steps to personally distance himself from the worse of anti-Semitism; it’s an open secret that his online forums cultivate and harbor the worst kind of backwards thinkers and rage filled racists in the world of political discourse.


    During those Tea Party takeover years of 2007 to 2010, American libertarians rose up and either established or blatantly took over major institutions (including my own). There has always been a small element of this conspiracy fringe that has occupied a portion of the debate at events and online suggesting that the president was not born in America, or that he is secretly a Muslim.

    Many of these people are simply what you might consider garden-variety conspiracy theorists and are relatively benign. However there are some who are much more and they are dangerous. This is how I met Sven.

    I broke the ice with Sven and his girlfriend while another of our crowd ordered us drinks at the bar. It didn’t take long for the conversation to switch to politics. The history of foreign policy came to the forefront. We talked about our belief in free markets, limited government and a non-interventionist foreign policy. It was then that I learned something interesting about our new friend. Sven revealed that he believed the world would have been a better place if Hitler had won World War 2.

    I blinked and laughed assuming he must have been joking, but he just stared at me with those steely blue eyes and didn’t laugh back.

    I leaned forward and asked in hushed tones… “Are you a Nazi?”

    He smiled… and nodded.

    Sven confessed that his heart ached for what happened to Germany after the war. “We were a great people once until the Communists took over. We were on our way to becoming the greatest empire the world had ever seen. And you Austin, you are of Germanic descent. Your nation took the side of the Soviets against us and look what it brought you.”

    “But… what about the Jews?” I asked. He shrugged. “Why do you care about the Jews? They were and still are a problem. They are the ones behind the Federal Reserve that you despise. The Jews attacked an American ship, the USS Liberty. Why would you defend them?”

    I couldn’t hide my disgust and the atmosphere at the party immediately grew cold. This was no ordinary kook that could just be written off as a simple lunatic. This was an articulate, supposedly intelligent and well-spoken defender of the tenets of National Socialism. My stomach may have turned, but my heart and my resolve hardened.

    I feel deeply as a libertarian that all people must be protected from tyranny and genocide. I secretly promised myself I would do whatever it takes to make sure that people like Sven would never be associated with the message of liberty. Libertarianism is not a philosophy compatible with racial hatred. National Socialism is in no way compatible with liberty and defenders of freedom must repudiate these philosophies to make a clear distinction between them. There is no room in the freedom revolution for those who advocate for racial hatred or eugenics. There will be no liberty for some if there is no liberty for all.

    When William Buckley attempted his famous purge of John Birchers from the conservative movement in the 1960’s he received a hellish backlash from many of his supporters and major donors. Although he knew that there would be no way for his movement to succeed in beating back the Social Democrats with the conspiracy theorists tagging along, he took strong action anyway to stand against what he saw as a group dedicated to discrediting his cause. He ultimately succeeded and the American conservative movement was able to regain its footing scoring major victories in elections in the coming years. The American liberty movement desperately needs to clean its own house if it plans on moving forward with policies of ending the Federal Reserve and foreign aid.

    For my part in standing up to would be totalitarians and racists, I have earned the scorn and derision from people who think I have now become a part of a conspiracy.

    As I write this, I am currently enduring blistering hatred and criticism from many who have called me friend in the past. I have done everything in my power to educate my fellow citizens, even participating in a public debate where I provided actual evidence of real conspiracies to prove to them how critical thinking works and what the differences are between actual conspiracies and conspiracy theories. But it has been an uphill struggle. And for my trouble I have received death threats and have had my personal information sought out and exposed to the public.

    It is strange that some Nazis believed that they could hide behind the message of liberty when many of the great minds that pioneered our Austrian system of economics were Jewish or spoke out against Nazism directly.

    Murray Rothbard, a Jewish libertarian himself was inspired by Ludwig von Mises and went on to help found America’s third largest political party, the Libertarian Party. Rothbard was extremely prolific in his defense of the individual versus the state. His brand of libertarianism is often referred to as “anarcho-capitalism”, a philosophy devoted to the advocacy of a totally voluntary society free from coercion and state monopoly. In other words, it is the total opposite of National Socialism.

    Friedrich Hayek was a Nobel Prize winner in economics, although not a Jew was credited as a founding father of the modern American liberty movement. He wrote in his famous book “The Road to Serfdom” is about how authoritarian regimes come to power. Hayek used the Nazis as his backdrop for a depressingly real story of how a democracy can turn into fascism as a result of flawed ideas and hyper-nationalism.

    Ludwig Von Mises was an Austrian Jew who fled Switzerland in the 1940’s before the Nazis could persecute him. His work “Omnipotent Government” offered harsh treatment of the Third Reich stating: “Nazism conquered Germany because it never encountered any adequate intellectual resistance.”

    I am determined to ensure that the warnings of men such as these do not go unheeded today. After all, all it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. And though I may be persecuted for taking a stand; even if I stand alone I believe that one man, with courage, makes a majority.
    Jack Hunter:

    http://www.facebook.com/jack.hunter....77861035673108
    Alex Jones currently doing a great job of making Piers Morgan look reasonable. Good grief. Smart move by Morgan to make pro-2nd Amendment people look crazy.
    http://www.facebook.com/jack.hunter....77853055673906
    The Rock is returning to RAW tonight. Piers Morgan's guest tonight is Alex Jones. Which will devolve into childish name calling quicker? I bet Morgan behaves more childish, more quickly than Rock or Jones.
    http://www.facebook.com/jack.hunter....08763845834686
    A great piece here by my friend Tim Stanley. I really hadn't planned on posting anything else about this, and then Tim had to go and write something fantastic. http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ti...or-gun-owners/
    http://www.facebook.com/jack.hunter....77916352334243
    Brilliant marketing strategy by both Piers Morgan and Alex Jones tonight. Morgan used Jones to make gun advocates looks nuts, pleasing his core audience, and Jones followers will think his maniacal ranting was somehow unloading the "truth," pleasing his core audience. Win-win for all involved.
    (Shared by Austin Petersen, who added "My NWO accomplice hits the nail on the head.")


    Julie Borowski:

    https://twitter.com/JulieBorowski/st...69350296481792
    Oh of course the Piers Morgan show would book Alex Jones to defend the pro-gun position.
    Not saying I agree with them, just letting you guys know.
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    Alex Jones has never claimed to be a libertarian, has he? He's a paleocon
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    More like a constitutionalist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smart3 View Post
    Alex Jones has never claimed to be a libertarian, has he? He's a paleocon
    He was known mainly as a paleocon up until the Ron Paul 2008 campaign. Since then he has often called himself a libertarian.

    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    More like a constitutionalist.
    Yeah, constitutionalist is the main term he uses to describe himself.

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    did anyone try to get a quote out of THAH DONALD on this all hopefully?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aratus View Post
    did anyone try to get a quote out of THAH DONALD on this all hopefully?
    Who's he?

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    Alex Jones income is generated by his being seen by the largest group of people possible. His theatrics last night are guaranteed to increase his name recognition as the media crucifies him. So he wins. Piers Morgan also wins because he now has classic video of a raving lunatic right-wing nutjob to bolster his position.

    The losers in the debate? Gun owners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowlesy View Post
    Alex Jones income is generated by his being seen by the largest group of people possible. His theatrics last night are guaranteed to increase his name recognition as the media crucifies him. So he wins. Piers Morgan also wins because he now has classic video of a raving lunatic right-wing nutjob to bolster his position.

    The losers in the debate? Gun owners.
    I think you hit the nail on the head here. As far as I know this is the largest mainstream (for lack of a better term) audience that Jones has ever been in front of. He doesn't lose his existing fans through this, since they love when he goes ballistic. So any new followers he gains is a net positive for him and therefore more money in his pocket. Some people tend to forget that Alex Jones, first and foremost is a business.

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    What can you expect from someone who backstabbed Ron Paul by defending an endorsement of Mitt Romney on Ron's own campaign website?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowlesy View Post
    Alex Jones income is generated by his being seen by the largest group of people possible. His theatrics last night are guaranteed to increase his name recognition as the media crucifies him. So he wins. Piers Morgan also wins because he now has classic video of a raving lunatic right-wing nutjob to bolster his position.

    The losers in the debate? Gun owners.
    Well said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowlesy View Post
    The losers in the debate? Gun owners.
    I think something is missing in your analysis. You say this was a win for Jones. So he gains listeners, who will become strong gun rights advocates, and that's a win for gun owners. The question is whether more people than that will become advocates of gun control due to this interview. I don't expect that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jj- View Post
    I think something is missing in your analysis. You say this was a win for Jones. So he gains listeners, who will become strong gun rights advocates, and that's a win for gun owners. The question is whether more people than that will become advocates of gun control due to this interview. I don't expect that.
    I think the listeners he gains will not be from watching last night, but from those who have a morbid curiosity after listening to his crucifixtion in the media over the next 24 hours. They are not likely people to have their minds' changed. Hope I am wrong.
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    Who cares what Jack Hunter and some guy from Freedom Works think? Alex Jones took a bold stand last night, something that needs to happen more often...not less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajuncocoa View Post
    Who cares what Jack Hunter and some guy from Freedom Works think?
    People that respect Jack Hunter and Austin Petersen and are interested in what they have to say care.

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    People take shit too seriously. Nothing that happened on that interview will have any bearing on absolutely anything. If the elite decide they can get a way with taking away the 2nd amendment, they will do it. I'm not a big AJ fan but he laid the cards out last night exactly like they needed to be. And to go into morgan's own studio and mock him and make him look like the pissant bitch he is? priceless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    People take shit too seriously. Nothing that happened on that interview will have any bearing on absolutely anything. If the elite decide they can get a way with taking away the 2nd amendment, they will do it. I'm not a big AJ fan but he laid the cards out last night exactly like they needed to be.
    From some stuff that I have read this morning, I think the concern is that Jones will be used as the poster boy for raving lunatic gun nuts and a justification why people shouldn't have guns. Probably a bit of an overreaction on their part. It was to be expected that Jones would come off looking like a raving lunatic regardless of the topic at hand - that's just his schtick. Jones would come across as a raving lunatic in a debate of Coke vs Pepsi. I have always felt he does it by design to attract listeners and therefore more buyers of his various products.

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    I'm no AJ fan, but neither of these guys have any interest in rational discussion. This was supposed to be exactly what it was.

    9-11 aside, I'm with Alex on this. The left isn't interested in a rational debate - they want to take away yet another right and will stop at nothing to do it. Perhaps it isn't best to go on liberal squawk shows to shout at them, but the time for talking is done when it comes for this subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptLouAlbano View Post
    From some stuff that I have read this morning, I think the concern is that Jones will be used as the poster boy for raving lunatic gun nuts and a justification why people shouldn't have guns.
    They wont. Using a nonviolent raving lunatic talkshow host that most of america doesn't recognize as your poster boy will fail. If they want posterboys for gun control they will just use one of the many murderers.
    Quote Originally Posted by Edward Snowden;
    So its, I would say; illustrative that the president would choose to say, "someone should face the music" when he knows the music is a show trial.

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    Why is it that those on the "Right" always accept liberal talking points at face-value? Pretty soon anyone with a moderate Conservative viewpoint will be labeled "nuts" and it's thanks to weird-looking people like David Frum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajuncocoa View Post
    Who cares what Jack Hunter and some guy from Freedom Works think? Alex Jones took a bold stand last night, something that needs to happen more often...not less.
    Petersen was previously associate producer of Freedom Watch, so he's very close to Judge Napolitano. He's the guy who got Napolitano to speak at the FreePAC events and to endorse Connie Mack for Senate in Florida. He also used to work for the Libertarian National Committee. He now works with Julie Borowski at FreedomWorks.

    Jack Hunter is a chief ghostwriter for Rand Paul and Jim DeMint. He was also heavily involved with the Ron Paul 2012 campaign and sometimes co-hosts Mike Church's radio talk show as writes for the Pat Buchanan affiliated magazine, The American Conservative.

    Neither are strangers to the liberty movement. That's why I posted this on here. As I've said, I don't agree with their view on Jones, but I do agree Jones could have handled this interview better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    They wont. Using a nonviolent raving lunatic talkshow host that most of america doesn't recognize as your poster boy will fail. If they want posterboys for gun control they will just use one of the many murderers.
    As I said in my post - it is probably an overreaction on their part. Last night was mutually beneficial for both parties because people are talking about them, and that is what media personalities want. The more attention they get the more money they make.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    More like a constitutionalist.
    Well, whatever his affiliation or philosophy, he came across as a complete lunatic last night.

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    Alex did what he did to gain attention for himself. It's why he agreed to go on the show, it's why he acted up at the airport, and it's why he went full nutjob on air.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingNothing View Post
    Well, whatever his affiliation or philosophy, he came across as a complete lunatic last night.
    Were you not entertained?
    Quote Originally Posted by Edward Snowden;
    So its, I would say; illustrative that the president would choose to say, "someone should face the music" when he knows the music is a show trial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    Were you not entertained?
    I don't find any discussion of limiting our rights to be entertaining. You do?
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    Piers gave him a rope and he hung him self.

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    Were you not entertained?
    I didn't even watch, but all the same, I'm on Alex's side.

    Look, if he doesn't represent you, (he doesn't represent me) what does it matter? He was him, not any of us. seems to me that the 'libertarian' thing to do is say he is him, we are respectively us, and he speaks as his own person. Not that I claim the label for myself, necessarily, I just think that being upset that someone is defending a position in a way you consider to be substandard is good reason for tweets that defend it better, not tearing down the guy on the spot.

    I've liked Austin Peterson in some stuff, but this seems elitist, honestly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    I don't find any discussion of limiting our rights to be entertaining. You do?
    Is that what they were supposed to be discussing?
    Quote Originally Posted by Edward Snowden;
    So its, I would say; illustrative that the president would choose to say, "someone should face the music" when he knows the music is a show trial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jj- View Post
    What can you expect from someone who backstabbed Ron Paul by defending an endorsement of Mitt Romney on Ron's own campaign website?
    No one backstabbed Ron Paul, not sure where this falsehood keeps coming from?
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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    Were you not entertained?
    As entertained as one could be while watching a total disaster. So yeah, pretty entertained.

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