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    Britain Threatens Argentina with WAR over Falkan Islands

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-8439971.html
    David Cameron has warned that he is ready to fight another war with Argentina to prevent that country seizing the Falkland Islands.


    He told BBC 1's Andrew Marr Show: "I get regular reports on this entire issue because I want to know that our defences are strong, our resolve is extremely strong."


    Asked if Britain would fight to keep the islands, he replied: "Of course we would and we have strong defences in place on the Falkland islands, that is absolutely key, that we have fast jets stationed there, we have troops stationed on the Falklands."


    He added that the UK’s defence budget is still one of the five largest in the world, despite recent cuts.


    The war of words over the islands known to the Argentines as Los Malvinas has heated up since the re-election of the combative Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner as Argentina’s President.


    Last week, she published an open letter to David Cameron alleging that Argentine was “forcibly stripped” of the islands by the Royal Navy.

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    The war of words over the islands known to the Argentines as Los Malvinas has heated up since the re-election of the combative Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner as Argentina’s President.
    It's Las Malvinas, not Los Malvinas. Bad journalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Confederate View Post
    It's Las Malvinas, not Los Malvinas. Bad journalism.
    The Independent is a $#@! paper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by green73 View Post
    The Independent is a $#@! paper.
    And the UK is a $#@! nation. I'd call it an appropriate match.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Confederate View Post
    It's Las Malvinas, not Los Malvinas. Bad journalism.
    And it's not Las Malvinas, it's The Falkland Islands.

    Argentina should really think this through or Great Britain will have to whoop them again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowlesy View Post
    And it's not Las Malvinas, it's The Falkland Islands.

    Argentina should really think this through or Great Britain will have to whoop them again.
    this. What makes it such a big deal is that the people who live there are British and want to remain so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sailingaway View Post
    this. What makes it such a big deal is that the people who live there are British and want to remain so.


    Illegal Israeli Settlements in the West Bank

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    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post

    Illegal Israeli Settlements in the West Bank
    I don't pretend to be an expert on the Falklands, but my understanding is that when they were settled it was not illegal, or no more so than our settling North America, and long settled, and the people there want to remain British.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sailingaway View Post
    this. What makes it such a big deal is that the people who live there are British and want to remain so.
    Yes. It'd be like Canada saying "Well, Alaska borders us, so, yeah we're taking it."
    "Your mother's dead, before long I'll be dead, and you...and your brother and your sister and all of her children, all of us dead, all of us..rotting in the ground. It's the family name that lives on. It's all that lives on. Not your personal glory, not your honor, but family." - Tywin Lannister


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowlesy View Post
    Yes. It'd be like Canada saying "Well, Alaska borders us, so, yeah we're taking it."

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    Last edited by presence; 01-07-2013 at 04:32 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowlesy View Post
    Yes. It'd be like Canada saying "Well, Alaska borders us, so, yeah we're taking it."
    Not exactly...

    The Falkland Islands/Islas Malvinas have been part of France, Spain, Argentina, and Great Britain over time. Alaska has never been a part of Canada or Britain.
    Last edited by Confederate; 01-07-2013 at 04:24 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowlesy View Post
    Yes. It'd be like Canada saying "Well, Alaska borders us, so, yeah we're taking it."
    Not the same at all.It would be like Cuba saying we are taking Guantanamo back and you saying ,let the US military stationed there have a vote who they want to belong to.It is a really strange case but both sides have a point.

    Anyway the UK threats are worthless without US support they could not invade Malta let alone fight a war.Not that the socialist Argentinians have any bite to their bark either.It would be like watching two 80 year old grandmothers with bad hips and sight fight,SAD.
    Last edited by Demigod; 01-07-2013 at 04:29 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowlesy View Post
    Yes. It'd be like Canada saying "Well, Alaska borders us, so, yeah we're taking it."
    I think a better comparison would be if Spain suddenly threaten a claim Puerto Rico via force, when a plurality of Puerto Ricans just voiced their approval for US Statehood.

    You don't think **** would hit the fan really fast then. Hard even for a libertarian to not justify that war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowlesy View Post
    Yes. It'd be like Canada saying "Well, Alaska borders us, so, yeah we're taking it."
    The MIC, our foreign policy, etc. aside, I'd LOVE to see Canada try this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowlesy View Post
    And it's not Las Malvinas, it's The Falkland Islands.
    It's Islas Malvinas in Spanish, regardless of whether one believes the belong to the UK or to Argentina.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowlesy View Post
    And it's not Las Malvinas, it's The Falkland Islands.

    Argentina should really think this through or Great Britain will have to whoop them again.
    Just Great Britain?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowlesy View Post
    And it's not Las Malvinas, it's The Falkland Islands.

    Argentina should really think this through or Great Britain will have to whoop them again.
    So it was a mistake to fight the British in 1770's?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bastiat's The Law View Post
    What makes the Falkland Islands so valuable?
    "Forget what they tell you on the news. War is about oil...it's ALWAYS about oil." Quote from my former boss and a retired Rear Admiral in the Navy in 1999.

    I wonder if that still holds true in 2013.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PatriotOne View Post
    "Forget what they tell you on the news. War is about oil...it's ALWAYS about oil." Quote from my former boss and a retired Rear Admiral in the Navy in 1999.

    I wonder if that still holds true in 2013.
    “Great Britain has transformed Las Malvinas Island into a key military base for the control of the South Atlantic, the inter-oceanic access and projection into the Antarctica securing the exploitation of the natural resources of the South Atlantic that belongs to the Argentinean people,” an Argentinean Ministry of Foreign Affairs communiqué said.
    Buenos Aires has no doubt that the militarisation of the zone – a bit disproportionate by all accounts – has nothing to do with the defence of the 2,500 British citizens living in Las Malvinas. But it has everything to do with the control of the vast natural resources in the area.


    The British government announced an ambitious plan to drill in the area


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    Last edited by presence; 01-07-2013 at 04:43 PM.

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...


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    The US is allied with both Britain and Argentina. I guess this is what Jefferson meant by "entangling alliances".

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    Quote Originally Posted by PatriotOne View Post
    "Forget what they tell you on the news. War is about oil...it's ALWAYS about oil." Quote from my former boss and a retired Rear Admiral in the Navy in 1999.

    I wonder if that still holds true in 2013.

    Hmmmm, I wonder..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bastiat's The Law View Post
    What makes the Falkland Islands so valuable?
    Ego, mostly.
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    It would be interesting if WW3 started with the Falklands... instead of Iran.



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    Quote Originally Posted by alucard13mmfmj View Post
    It would be interesting if WW3 started with the Falklands... instead of Iran.
    Every day I've posted on RPF there's been some fear of WW3.

    I'd rather focus on our day to day. BTW $#@! all will happen here - and if it does it won't impact any of us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackTerrel View Post
    Every day I've posted on RPF there's been some fear of WW3.

    I'd rather focus on our day to day. BTW $#@! all will happen here - and if it does it won't impact any of us.
    You think world war three will not impact any of us? I think maybe you have been watching too many movies and are not aware of reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RickyJ View Post
    You think world war three will not impact any of us? I think maybe you have been watching too many movies and are not aware of reality.
    I don't think England and Argentina are going to start a world war. Actually I know they won't.

    I'm 1,000 times more likely to die in a car accident or by some random violence than a make believe war between two countries who have been talking $#@! to each other for a few decades.

    Stop living in fear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackTerrel View Post
    I don't think England and Argentina are going to start a world war. Actually I know they won't.

    I'm 1,000 times more likely to die in a car accident or by some random violence than a make believe war between two countries who have been talking $#@! to each other for a few decades.

    Stop living in fear.
    It's the United Kingdom not England.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alucard13mmfmj View Post
    It would be interesting if WW3 started with the Falklands... instead of Iran.
    I hate to break it to you, but WW III began on 9/11/01. And this is a REAL world war, unlike the other two which were nothing more than regional skirmishes compared with what is really​ going on today, all innocuous appearances notwithstanding.
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    Damnit I repped you for an early post in this thread.

    I'd rep you again but I cannot.

    WW3 is well underway and it's pinnacle has yet to be reached.

    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    I hate to break it to you, but WW III began on 9/11/01. And this is a REAL world war, unlike the other two which were nothing more than regional skirmishes compared with what is really​ going on today, all innocuous appearances notwithstanding.
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