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    Default Britain Threatens Argentina with WAR over Falkan Islands

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-8439971.html
    David Cameron has warned that he is ready to fight another war with Argentina to prevent that country seizing the Falkland Islands.


    He told BBC 1's Andrew Marr Show: "I get regular reports on this entire issue because I want to know that our defences are strong, our resolve is extremely strong."


    Asked if Britain would fight to keep the islands, he replied: "Of course we would and we have strong defences in place on the Falkland islands, that is absolutely key, that we have fast jets stationed there, we have troops stationed on the Falklands."


    He added that the UK’s defence budget is still one of the five largest in the world, despite recent cuts.


    The war of words over the islands known to the Argentines as Los Malvinas has heated up since the re-election of the combative Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner as Argentina’s President.


    Last week, she published an open letter to David Cameron alleging that Argentine was “forcibly stripped” of the islands by the Royal Navy.
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    The war of words over the islands known to the Argentines as Los Malvinas has heated up since the re-election of the combative Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner as Argentina’s President.
    It's Las Malvinas, not Los Malvinas. Bad journalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Confederate View Post
    It's Las Malvinas, not Los Malvinas. Bad journalism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Confederate View Post
    It's Las Malvinas, not Los Malvinas. Bad journalism.
    And it's not Las Malvinas, it's The Falkland Islands.

    Argentina should really think this through or Great Britain will have to whoop them again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowlesy View Post
    And it's not Las Malvinas, it's The Falkland Islands.

    Argentina should really think this through or Great Britain will have to whoop them again.
    this. What makes it such a big deal is that the people who live there are British and want to remain so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sailingaway View Post
    this. What makes it such a big deal is that the people who live there are British and want to remain so.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sailingaway View Post
    this. What makes it such a big deal is that the people who live there are British and want to remain so.
    Yes. It'd be like Canada saying "Well, Alaska borders us, so, yeah we're taking it."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowlesy View Post
    Yes. It'd be like Canada saying "Well, Alaska borders us, so, yeah we're taking it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowlesy View Post
    And it's not Las Malvinas, it's The Falkland Islands.
    It's Islas Malvinas in Spanish, regardless of whether one believes the belong to the UK or to Argentina.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowlesy View Post
    And it's not Las Malvinas, it's The Falkland Islands.

    Argentina should really think this through or Great Britain will have to whoop them again.
    Just Great Britain?
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    It would be interesting if WW3 started with the Falklands... instead of Iran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowlesy View Post
    Yes. It'd be like Canada saying "Well, Alaska borders us, so, yeah we're taking it."
    Not exactly...

    The Falkland Islands/Islas Malvinas have been part of France, Spain, Argentina, and Great Britain over time. Alaska has never been a part of Canada or Britain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bastiat's The Law View Post
    What makes the Falkland Islands so valuable?
    "Forget what they tell you on the news. War is about oil...it's ALWAYS about oil." Quote from my former boss and a retired Rear Admiral in the Navy in 1999.

    I wonder if that still holds true in 2013.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowlesy View Post
    And it's not Las Malvinas, it's The Falkland Islands.

    Argentina should really think this through or Great Britain will have to whoop them again.
    So it was a mistake to fight the British in 1770's?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowlesy View Post
    Yes. It'd be like Canada saying "Well, Alaska borders us, so, yeah we're taking it."
    Not the same at all.It would be like Cuba saying we are taking Guantanamo back and you saying ,let the US military stationed there have a vote who they want to belong to.It is a really strange case but both sides have a point.

    Anyway the UK threats are worthless without US support they could not invade Malta let alone fight a war.Not that the socialist Argentinians have any bite to their bark either.It would be like watching two 80 year old grandmothers with bad hips and sight fight,SAD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PatriotOne View Post
    "Forget what they tell you on the news. War is about oil...it's ALWAYS about oil." Quote from my former boss and a retired Rear Admiral in the Navy in 1999.

    I wonder if that still holds true in 2013.
    “Great Britain has transformed Las Malvinas Island into a key military base for the control of the South Atlantic, the inter-oceanic access and projection into the Antarctica securing the exploitation of the natural resources of the South Atlantic that belongs to the Argentinean people,” an Argentinean Ministry of Foreign Affairs communiqué said.
    Buenos Aires has no doubt that the militarisation of the zone – a bit disproportionate by all accounts – has nothing to do with the defence of the 2,500 British citizens living in Las Malvinas. But it has everything to do with the control of the vast natural resources in the area.


    The British government announced an ambitious plan to drill in the area


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    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post

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    I don't pretend to be an expert on the Falklands, but my understanding is that when they were settled it was not illegal, or no more so than our settling North America, and long settled, and the people there want to remain British.
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    The US is allied with both Britain and Argentina. I guess this is what Jefferson meant by "entangling alliances".

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    Thank goodness for our nuclear submarines.Even though I think only one of them works at a time.The Argies will invade before we finally build our new aircraft carriers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PatriotOne View Post
    "Forget what they tell you on the news. War is about oil...it's ALWAYS about oil." Quote from my former boss and a retired Rear Admiral in the Navy in 1999.

    I wonder if that still holds true in 2013.

    Hmmmm, I wonder..

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    argentinians and brits can do what they want. lets just stay out of it. whats the worse that can happen?

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    Not the same at all.

    It would be like Cuba saying
    we are taking Guantanamo back

    and you saying,

    let the US military stationed there have a vote

    who they want to belong to.


    It is a really strange case but both sides have a point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sailingaway View Post
    I don't pretend to be an expert on the Falklands, but my understanding is that when they were settled it was not illegal, or no more so than our settling North America, and long settled, and the people there want to remain British.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falklan...eignty_dispute
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Vernet

    Vernet was owed money by the United Provinces government
    and the settlement in the Falkland Islands was offered
    in partial restitution of that debt.

    In 1828, the United Provinces government granted Vernet
    all
    of East Falkland including all its resources,
    and exempted him from taxation
    if a colony could be established within three years.




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    in 1831 the USS Lexington raided the islands.
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    I'd guess controlling the islands would expand fishing/oil/etc waters for Argentina, I mean why else would they want them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Demigod View Post
    Not the same at all.It would be like Cuba saying we are taking Guantanamo back and you saying ,let the US military stationed there have a vote who they want to belong to.It is a really strange case but both sides have a point.

    Anyway the UK threats are worthless without US support they could not invade Malta let alone fight a war.Not that the socialist Argentinians have any bite to their bark either.It would be like watching two 80 year old grandmothers with bad hips and sight fight,SAD.
    The UK fought Argentina all on their own in 1982. They were pushed off the island and then retook it. It was an amazingly successful military campaign. Funny thing was they were able to take the Falkland Islands back with HMS Hermes which was to be decommissioned shortly before the war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uriah View Post
    The UK fought Argentina all on their own in 1982. They were pushed off the island and then retook it. It was an amazingly successful military campaign. Funny thing was they were able to take the Falkland Islands back with HMS Hermes which was to be decommissioned shortly before the war.
    The US, France and other nations provided support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sailingaway View Post
    I don't pretend to be an expert on the Falklands, but my understanding is that when they were settled it was not illegal, or no more so than our settling North America, and long settled, and the people there want to remain British.
    Are there really people that want to remain British?

    In any case, it takes a lot of courage to get out of the kitchen and dispute territory like that, even if she is completely wrong. Good for her.
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    There will be no war.

    The Falklands in 2013 are far more heavily and closely guarded by the British military than they were 31 years ago. In contrast Argentina is far weaker militarily than it was at the time. The technological gap between both countries has widened greatly since then.

    Argentina's military has no power projection capabilities. They probably wouldn't win a war against Uruguay, whose population is less than 4 million. 30 years+ of technological advances have blessed Great Britain with satellite capabilities that would spot Argentine forces massing very much in advance. Argentina would not have the element of surprise it had in 1982.

    Moreover, the Argentine economy is struggling yet again. Cristina Kirchner is a corrupt leftist and statist who is using state power as her predecessors did to plunder the nation's resources for her and her cronies' gain. You liberty lovers hate capital controls, eh? Well, Argentine banks now obligate Argentine citizens who travel abroad and use their credit cards in other nations to pay a percentage on all their transactions. And, the quantity of pesos they can exchange for USD is very limited. Yes, we who love sound money and follow Austrian economics know the USD is just a piece of paper, but in the Third World, the USD is still very much seen as a safe haven. Even in other nations in that area, like Brazil, whose economy is light-years ahead of Argentina's, wealthier Brazilians whose lifestyles are superior to the standards of living of many Americans often exchange their local currency holdings into USD. The Argentine people, barring the elite, are not doing all that well. Unemployment is high, and Kirchner and her government are widely disliked.

    For her to launch an attempt to retake islands whose inhabitants are culturally, historically, and even racially British and who wish to remain an overseas British territory would be foolhardy, counterproductive, expensive, and it would earn her republiqueta of a country international scorn, even more than it did when her predecessors attacked. Outside of South America and perhaps Spain, the Argentine claim has no foreign support, and even if every country on Earth including the United States supported Argentina's sovereignty claim, Britain would never relinquish the islands, whether by negotiation or by force. The Brits are a proud people; they shed blood, spent money, and lost pilots, seamen, and ships while fighting Argentina in 1982. They would do it again - for pride, but also, because they firmly believe (and with very much just cause and historical claims) that the islands are legally and rightfully British.

    Argentina will NEVER attack, and Argentina's flag will never fly over those small islands.

    Nothing to see here. Move on now.
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    There's a similar thing with Gibraltar. The Spainish claim it but "The Rock" is firmly British.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowlesy View Post
    Yes. It'd be like Canada saying "Well, Alaska borders us, so, yeah we're taking it."
    I think a better comparison would be if Spain suddenly threaten a claim Puerto Rico via force, when a plurality of Puerto Ricans just voiced their approval for US Statehood.

    You don't think **** would hit the fan really fast then. Hard even for a libertarian to not justify that war.

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