51st State a possibility!

[Pauls' Revere]

Jefferson State! compiling Northern California and Southern Oregon could secede and become our 51st state! They breifly did so just prior to WW2 but the war stopped the effort. Now it's gaining stem again.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...MNNP138DLP.DTL

http://www.jeffersonstate.com/jeffersonnews.html

Seeking signatures
The Grange Hall of Yreka, a farm-based service organization, is activating 51 of its brethren halls in the area to collect 1 million signatures to have a statehood advisory measure put on the California ballot. Tony Intiso, a runoff candidate in the Nov. 4 election for Siskiyou County Board of Supervisors, has pledged to force the issue and is running campaign ads calling for regional freedom. The number of registered users of a decade-old Web site advocating partition has suddenly shot from dozens to more than 900.

"Heck yeah, it's a darn good idea," said Richard Mitchell, manager of the Cooley & Pollard Hardware Store on Miner Street, the main drag in the blink-and-you-miss-it town of Yreka. "Those liberal people down south don't understand us at all, and if there was a vote today to form a new state, it would pass in a heartbeat.

"I would bet on it."

The window of Mitchell's store, where he tends the register in worn work boots and a camouflage hunting cap, displays T-shirts and flags sporting the state "seal" of Jefferson: Two X's denoting the double-crossing the area supposedly gets from the capitols of California and Oregon.





I must see what I can do to help.

[chrisc888]

Wow, although unlikely that this will happen, it definitely deserves more attention.

[yongrel]

DC has a better shot of being the 51st state, and that ain't happening either, despite Paul Strauss's "noble" and "valiant" efforts.

[klamath]

Never happen but note my location.

[Patriot123]

According to the articles, the citizens of these counties wanted to put through a petition to have a ballot question for the secession of the area on election day. Whether their petition went through or not is unclear, and whether or not there was a question put on the ballot for election day is unclear - why? The articles are from October.

This is old news. Their dream of a "Jefferson State" isn't possible for at least another four years, where it still isn't likely otherwise it would have gained national coverage all ready.

[Pauls' Revere]

According to the articles, the citizens of these counties wanted to put through a petition to have a ballot question for the secession of the area on election day. Whether their petition went through or not is unclear, and whether or not there was a question put on the ballot for election day is unclear - why? The articles are from October.

This is old news. Their dream of a "Jefferson State" isn't possible for at least another four years, where it still isn't likely otherwise it would have gained national coverage all ready.

Sacramento doesn't even know about Jefferson why should the Nation? All the more reason for them to create thier own. If it takes four years so be it, perhaps Ron Paul can be the first govenor of a state which would coin it's own gold and silver tender? sounds good to me.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Sacramento doesn't even know about Jefferson why should the Nation? All the more reason for them to create thier own. If it takes four years so be it, perhaps Ron Paul can be the first govenor of a state which would coin it's own gold and silver tender? sounds good to me.

here's a nice show that covered the history of the STATE of JEFFERSON. plenty of links:

http://www.calgold.com/roadtrip/Default.asp?Series=100&Show=954


http://www.jeffersonstate.com/

[DamianTV]

Yreka. Thats the county I got my 89 mile per hour ticket in when I was only going 70 and had a GPS as proof to back it up, and they still said I was guilty. $#@! Yreka. They can burn in hell, or they can stay in hell which is more closely referred to as the State of Kalifornia.

[Matt Collins]

A new State can only be created as the Constitution specifies. If this area wanted to break off and become a new country... .well that is debatable itself because remember all States are sovereign.

[H Roark]

I would move there in a heart beat. Considering Jefferson State would have the smallest population of all U.S. states, it would be a prime location to start a west coast Freestater Movement.

[MrNick]

A new State can only be created as the Constitution specifies. If this area wanted to break off and become a new country... .well that is debatable itself because remember all States are sovereign.

Say what now? So technically a state can succeed if they want too?

[klamath]

It will never happen for several reasons. 2/3s of the water is here and the rest of the state would not let that go. Second it would probably give the gop two more senators.

[Matt Collins]

Say what now? So technically a state can succeed if they want too?

A group of counties from a State cannot just decide they want to become another new and independent State within the Union. States can only join the union as the Constitution describes.

Because of this Nevada and West Virginia are not Constitutional States; they were created by Lincoln et al for political reasons and without following the Constitution.

Now, an entire State can seceded from the Union according to the Constitution although last time this was tried the Yankee imperialist bullies killed hundreds of thousands to stop a legal action.

[Pauls' Revere]

A new State can only be created as the Constitution specifies. If this area wanted to break off and become a new country... .well that is debatable itself because remember all States are sovereign.

Article 4 sec 3:

SECTION. 3.
New States may be admitted by the Congress into this
Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within
the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed
by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States,
without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned
as well as of the Congress.
The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all
needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or
other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing
in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice
any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.

So, as long as they have consent of the legislatures of the two states in question i.e. Oregon and California, and congress it's doable right?

[Pauls' Revere]

Received this e-mail.

Sounds as though Brian is a Ron Paul supporter.

I appreciate your willingness to help. I hope to have more info coming up for people who want to help. Thank- you for the Ron Paul link. I will add it when I do an update.
Brian

[tribute_13]

Regardless whether they can or will succeed or not, its great to know someone is doing something to let the country know of our forgotten rights. Most people complain about problems and sit on their asses not making an effort, but these people are actually doing something. They have my support. Do I think it will work? Absolutely not. But it will open up the minds of the citizens around the area to a more constitution-friendly mindset. Maybe make the West a much more Ron-Paul friendly target for the 2012 elections for RP or anyone running like him.

[DAaaMan64]

I don't expect this to happen.

Eastern Washington and Northern Idaho have wanted this for 100 years.

[Mesogen]

A group of counties from a State cannot just decide they want to become another new and independent State within the Union. States can only join the union as the Constitution describes.

If the legislatures of the states in question say it's ok, then a new state can form from within another state or by the joining of two states.


edit:damn. I need to read the whole thread first.

[Pepsi]

Puerto Rico should become the 51'st State

[Mesogen]

Puerto Rico should become the 51'st State

They don't want to. They are fine not paying income tax and I don't think they care about who the president is.

Hell, Puerto Rico sounds like it might be a nice place to live.


edit: maybe not http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...0120112AAwirnD

[Truth Warrior]

I think Mexico and Canada will be the new ones.<IMHO>

[UnReconstructed]

What difference will it make? It will still be people trying to tell other people how to live... in the geographic politically designated area called "Jefferson".

I can get all that $#@! I want where I am. Be part of the Free State Project or the Lakota Republic.

[Truth Warrior]

What difference will it make? It will still be people trying to tell other people how to live... in the geographic politically designated area called "Jefferson".

I can get all that $#@! I want where I am. Be part of the Free State Project or the Lakota Republic.

Is David Henry Thoreau the brother of Henry David Thoreau?

[Pauls' Revere]

Regardless whether they can or will succeed or not, its great to know someone is doing something to let the country know of our forgotten rights. Most people complain about problems and sit on their asses not making an effort, but these people are actually doing something. They have my support. Do I think it will work? Absolutely not. But it will open up the minds of the citizens around the area to a more constitution-friendly mindset. Maybe make the West a much more Ron-Paul friendly target for the 2012 elections for RP or anyone running like him.

I concur whole heartedly!

[mellamojuana]

I wish I could succeed at seceding as an individual citizen, and remain in place geographically.

I'd like to hear about Jefferson's successful secession in the future.

[UnReconstructed]

No, I just thought it sounded better.

Actually, I don't know how I did that but thanks for catching it!

[mediahasyou]

That state should secede not join.

[cheapseats]

Jefferson State! compiling Northern California and Southern Oregon could secede and become our 51st state! They breifly did so just prior to WW2 but the war stopped the effort. Now it's gaining stem again.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...MNNP138DLP.DTL

http://www.jeffersonstate.com/jeffersonnews.html

Seeking signatures
The Grange Hall of Yreka, a farm-based service organization, is activating 51 of its brethren halls in the area to collect 1 million signatures to have a statehood advisory measure put on the California ballot. Tony Intiso, a runoff candidate in the Nov. 4 election for Siskiyou County Board of Supervisors, has pledged to force the issue and is running campaign ads calling for regional freedom. The number of registered users of a decade-old Web site advocating partition has suddenly shot from dozens to more than 900.

"Heck yeah, it's a darn good idea," said Richard Mitchell, manager of the Cooley & Pollard Hardware Store on Miner Street, the main drag in the blink-and-you-miss-it town of Yreka. "Those liberal people down south don't understand us at all, and if there was a vote today to form a new state, it would pass in a heartbeat.

"I would bet on it."

The window of Mitchell's store, where he tends the register in worn work boots and a camouflage hunting cap, displays T-shirts and flags sporting the state "seal" of Jefferson: Two X's denoting the double-crossing the area supposedly gets from the capitols of California and Oregon.





I must see what I can do to help.

I, as well. MORE letters in the drafting phase -- a Dissident's work is never done.

As it happens, I am free to relocate anywhere on earth. As it also happens, ironically, there are not so many places on earth to which a person is allowed to freely betake themselves, and now there is also talk of restricting EGRESS from the country.

It is not inconceivable that you have identified the spot to which I shall excuse myself from the BULL$#@! THAT PASSES FOR NORMAL IN AMERICA -- after, that is, my Greater Depression Tour of America. Eureka, literally and figuratively.

[gaazn]

50 is such a nice round number, so it'll never happen unless maybe Virginia annexes West Virginia or the Dakotas merge.

[cheapseats]

50 is such a nice round number, so it'll never happen unless maybe Virginia annexes West Virginia or the Dakotas merge.

Puerto Rico would make 52. One state per week of the year . . . I spy a weekly holiday. Or there's the District of Corruption.

I would ask the obvious question, why DOES Puerto Rico vote in our presidential elections?

Also, asymmetry is reputedly a sign of genius . . . and it must be owned that, given the magnitude of the cluster$#@!, a change in the arrangement of the stars on our flag is hardly a Herculean task. We can have a contest. Contests are good for morale during a Depression.