American imprisoned in Iran

[kcchiefs6465]

Let's be real here for a sec. You don't actually think this do you? No one in this country even knows this man is arrested. No one is covering it. So no it's not going to lead to war with Iran.

I never said this one man will be the reason we end up Iran. It could and probably will be used to sway public opinion on the subject of a military intervention. Particularly the FOX NEWS crowd. A talking point of sorts to show just how radical their country is. Maybe with a touch of some subtle propaganda such as yours about how Christians are being 'cleansed' from the region. Many Christians may feel obligated to support such an military endeavor.

How? You could not be less undercover in Iran than being an American Christian. This would be like sending Shaquille O'Neal to spy on the cast of Willow.

I was more saying that there are CIA proxies from all sorts of backgrounds. It would only be speculation on why the CIA might deem it to be a strategic advantage of sorts that this man was a pastor for traveling through Iran. For one, he would most undoubtedly be released if caught. And if he were not to be released it would be simple to leak various reports to the media and to have the family of the man pleading for his return. This would turn public sentiment against Iran even more. As was the case with the hikers public outcry that eventually pressured Iran to release them. (I don't know whether they were spies or not, either. Pure speculation on why they may feel it an advantage to use a pastor in one of their schemes)

Christians. This is the first Christian in Iran to be arrested who has American citizenship as far as I know.

I stated that removing the sanctions would indeed increase the chances that an American citizen arrested in Iran would be released. Whether it would help native Christians I am not sure about but would doubt.

Why do you hate this man so much. He's an asshole because he went back to his country of origin and has accepted a non-Islamic belief?

I do not hate the man. He should have known better. If it was his country of origin he should have known the hostility he was entering into and avoided the region. Do you think Jews in England would have gone back to Nazi Germany had that been their homeland? (An extreme analogy I know) There's a point and time when you must realize that it is simply too dangerous to go back. I would say a sanctioned Iran would qualify, especially when you are a Christian with American citizenship. What the hell did he really think was going to happen?

A generation ago Christians were 20% of the mid-east population. Now they are less than 5%. It'll be close to zero soon enough. I know members of the Egyptian community here quite well.

Okay. Just what do you propose I do about that? Yes, I believe people should be able to worship freely. I am saddened that some people cannot. This occurs largely over the world. There are kids being accused of witchcraft and burned alive for chrissake. We are not crusaders of right and wrong. There is wickedry that runs a lot deeper than the Iranian government. What do you propose we do about the child soldiers? And the children forced to work in diamond mines? And female circumcission? You realize they are hanging people from bridges in Juarez? Where do you draw the line? Yes, I feel for the man. But in all honesty, it's his own damn fault. I feel a lot more sympathy towards the young woman whose breasts were cut off while she was being gangraped. And even then, what the hell do you expect me to do about it?

First of all I never said Christians were being exterminated in Iran. Second of all I never said the US should go to war. I just posted an article of a guy imprisoned for his faith and you called him an asshole and likely a spy.

'Cleansed,' I believe you put it. Listen, I interchange the word asshole to mean a variety of things. This case being that he's ignorant to the situation and hostility of Iran towards Americans and it's his own damn fault. I'm not trying to be a dick about it, but seriously, what did he really expect would happen?

[Demigod]

In Iran if you take the Muslim faith that is final no take backs.If you ever convert or decide to go atheist later,you are dead.If he lived in Iran he 100% knew what would happen if he ever came back home so this is a suicide and nothing more.If he was a Christian from the start there would have been no problem but to convert from Islam is not allowed.

Making this case public will only confirm his death sentence as a way of the Iranian government to make a point.

[BlackTerrel]

In Iran if you take the Muslim faith that is final no take backs.If you ever convert or decide to go atheist later,you are dead.If he lived in Iran he 100% knew what would happen if he ever came back home so this is a suicide and nothing more.

So basically he was the last person on the planet who you would ever choose to be a spy. And he's being persecuted for his beliefs.

You can call him an asshole, or dumb... but he's also a man of courage.

[jmdrake]

If the man was training people on how to build magnetic bombs to assassinate scientists for example, then let whatever ending happens, happen.


http://news.yahoo.com/iranian-scient...151922261.html

ETA: I tried my damnedest to rename the link 'build magnetic bombs to assassinate scientists' and could not figure it out. +rep if someone who could tell me how to do that.

You copy the link to your clipboard, select the text with your mouse, click on the "link icon" (right to the left of the envelope icon) and then paste the link in the dialog box. And then your "build magnetic bombs" text will be linked. That's the easy way. The hard way in to embed the code directly as in: [ URL="http://news.yahoo.com/iranian-scientist-assassinated-tehran-151922261.html"]build magnetic bombs[/URL]

[Demigod]

So basically he was the last person on the planet who you would ever choose to be a spy. And he's being persecuted for his beliefs.

You can call him an asshole, or dumb... but he's also a man of courage.

He did the equivalent of an American joining the Taliban so that he can fight American Imperialism and a growing government back home and then coming back to see his children.It is not courage it is stupidity.

If he wants to be a martyr then let him.

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[brandon]

Christians are an officially protected religious minority in Iran, yet you are trying to tell me this guy is going to get the death sentence just for being a christian? Ya ok. Sure. I'm sure that's all he did.

[jmdrake]

When Americans die in tall buildings it was a false flag CIA operation. When Israeli kids are blown up in a school bus in Belgium it was a false flag Mossad act.

When Iranian scientists die in Iran it is the work of Christian Pastors who live in Boise, Idaho.

Well if you were going to actually follow the pattern you set up you'd say "When Iranian scientists die in Iran it is the work of the Iranian government as a false flag operation." That said, while I don't think this guy was a spy (though I rule nothing out) the "hikers" who haven't gotten caught in the past are definitely suspicious. Who the hell goes hiking in a war zone? (The border area between Iran and Iraq).

Anyhow, since you believe anything that officially comes from the government, what's your take on the fact that the Pentagon now says it has no record of Osama Bin Laden's DNA even though it initially said it used DNA evidence for proof of death?

[truelies]

What happens in Iran is simply not the business of folks in America.

[pcosmar]

Last I looked the majority of the region is being cleansed of Christians.

Only after we go to war with them.

Iraq.. Large christian communities.. Christians in key Government positions. After invasion,,many flee,, others are persecuted.

It has happened elsewhere as well.. Palestine was a diverse community,, Arab, Christian and Jew living peacefully, till the Zionist invasion.

The trouble is not with Iran.. It is provoked by those that want to start a war with Iran.

Oh,,and thread TITLE IS MISLEADING..

How deep undercover would an American Christian Pastor be in Iran?

He is Iranian, Born in Iran. Family in Iran. Living in Iran. Was granted American Citizenship for propaganda purposes.

[juleswin]

Only after we go to war with them.

Iraq.. Large christian communities.. Christians in key Government positions. After invasion,,many flee,, others are persecuted.

It has happened elsewhere as well.. Palestine was a diverse community,, Arab, Christian and Jew living peacefully, till the Zionist invasion.

The trouble is not with Iran.. It is provoked by those that want to start a war with Iran.

Oh,,and thread TITLE IS MISLEADING..


He is Iranian, Born in Iran. Family in Iran. Living in Iran. Was granted American Citizenship for propaganda purposes.

Dont forget the attack on Syrian christian community, targeted by the jihadist rebels because of their support of the Syrian govt. Not sure about Libyan Christian communities but my guess is they suffered the same fate as their brethrens in other ME countries