American imprisoned in Iran

[BlackTerrel]

http://global.christianpost.com/news...tianity-86957/

The American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ), a Washington D.C.-based human rights firm, announced Dec. 19 that it will be legally representing the family of the Rev. Saeed Abedini, a Christian convert and U.S. immigrant who is currently being imprisoned in Iran for his Christian faith.

"This is a very troubling pattern that we have seen inside Iran -- Christian husbands and fathers who are punished for their religious beliefs," Jordan Sekulow, Executive Director of the ACLJ, said in a Dec. 19 press release.

"What makes this particular case so much more disturbing is that Pastor Saeed, who was born and raised in Iran, has been granted U.S. citizenship. He's been in prison for nearly three months simply because of his Christian faith," Sekulow continued.

"Now, he's been indicted by an Iranian court -- a development that could very well result in a death sentence. In addition to our legal work, it's important to get this story out -- to generate global support for Pastor Saeed and to engage the U.N. and the U.S. government in securing his release," Sekulow added

Takes some guts and a lot of faith to persevere.

[kcchiefs6465]

We have no idea what this man was doing over there. I know people are going to say he was a pastor converting people to Christianity, or maybe he was a hiker and traveled beyond country lines accidently, or maybe he is what I believe him to be, a CIA proxy operating in the area. The first thing that comes to my mind when I read a story like this is that the man shouldn't have been there in the first place. There are other more friendly places to spread the word, other more friendly places to hike etc. We have no diplomacy with Iran and I'm sure they are looking for any American they can to publicly punish. What did this man think was going to happen? Was he just planning on being a martyr? I don't feel sorry for stupid people, surely not when he very probably was a spy doing all sorts of shit he probably shouldn't have been doing. Let this man's family start awareness funds. Maybe if people were educated on the sanctions as well as nuclear energy they would pressure Congress to lift them. (Sanctions) Then maybe we could kindly ask for the man's return and it'd be granted. Either way, he should have thought a little bit more on just what exactly he was doing.

[squarepusher]

We have no idea what this man was doing over there. I know people are going to say he was a pastor converting people to Christianity, or maybe he was a hiker or traveled beyond country lines, or maybe he is what I believe him to be, a CIA proxy operating in the area. The first thing that comes to my mind when I read a story like this is that the man shouldn't have been there in the first place. There are other more friendly places to spread the word, other more friendly places to hike etc. We have no diplomacy with Iran and I'm sure they are looking for any American they can to punish. What did this man believe was going to happen? Was he just planning on being a martyr? I don't feel sorry for stupid people, surely not when he very probably was a spy doing all sorts of shit he probably shouldn't be doing. Let this man's family start awareness funds. Maybe if people were educated on the sanctions as well as nuclear energy they would pressure Congress to lift them. Then maybe we could kindly ask for the man's return and it be granted. Either way, maybe he should have reconsidered his options.

yeah. Don't know what he was doing over there, hopefully there is a happy ending.

[kcchiefs6465]

yeah. Don't know what he was doing over there, hopefully there is a happy ending.

If the man was training people on how to build magnetic bombs to assassinate scientists for example, then let whatever ending happens, happen.


http://news.yahoo.com/iranian-scient...151922261.html

ETA: I tried my damnedest to rename the link 'build magnetic bombs to assassinate scientists' and could not figure it out. +rep if someone who could tell me how to do that.

[BlackTerrel]

It's pretty amazing the lengths people will go to defend Iran. Nothing they do can ever be wrong.

We have no idea what this man was doing over there. I know people are going to say he was a pastor converting people to Christianity, or maybe he was a hiker and traveled beyond country lines accidently, or maybe he is what I believe him to be, a CIA proxy operating in the area.

How deep undercover would an American Christian Pastor be in Iran?

The first thing that comes to my mind when I read a story like this is that the man shouldn't have been there in the first place. There are other more friendly places to spread the word, other more friendly places to hike etc. We have no diplomacy with Iran and I'm sure they are looking for any American they can to publicly punish.

His parents and family live in Iran.

What did this man think was going to happen? Was he just planning on being a martyr? I don't feel sorry for stupid people, surely not when he very probably was a spy doing all sorts of shit he probably shouldn't have been doing.

Again. How far deep are you into defending anything this country does that you, without any evidence, believe this guy was a spy. Let's be real here: the least effective spy on the planet would be an American Christian Pastor in Iran. What kind of sensitive data could this guy possibly hope to get a hold of?

Let this man's family start awareness funds. Maybe if people were educated on the sanctions as well as nuclear energy they would pressure Congress to lift them. (Sanctions) Then maybe we could kindly ask for the man's return and it'd be granted. Either way, he should have thought a little bit more on just what exactly he was doing.

This guy is one of many Christians imprisoned in Iran. The idea that lifting sanctions would stop that is naive. Last I looked the majority of the region is being cleansed of Christians.

[BlackTerrel]

If the man was training people on how to build magnetic bombs to assassinate scientists for example, then let whatever ending happens, happen.

http://news.yahoo.com/iranian-scient...151922261.html

When Americans die in tall buildings it was a false flag CIA operation. When Israeli kids are blown up in a school bus in Belgium it was a false flag Mossad act.

When Iranian scientists die in Iran it is the work of Christian Pastors who live in Boise, Idaho.

[kcchiefs6465]

It's pretty amazing the lengths people will go to defend Iran. Nothing they do can ever be wrong.

I'm not defending Iran. The man is an idiot. I don't give a damn if his family lives there or not. He wanted to be a martyr so let him be a martyr. Honestly, what the hell did he expect would happen?

How deep undercover would an American Christian Pastor be in Iran?

Well, when trying to drum up support for an unjustified war, I think an American pastor 'POW' could be a route they would consider taking. Hikers don't quite cause the same amount of outcry as a man of God.

His parents and family live in Iran.

And you mean to tell me they didn't go around spreading the gospel in a theocratic country? How odd.

Again. How far deep are you into defending anything this country does that you, without any evidence, believe this guy was a spy. Let's be real here: the least effective spy on the planet would be an American Christian Pastor in Iran. What kind of sensitive data could this guy possibly hope to get a hold of?

Again, I didn't say I believed this man was a spy. I simply stated that he very possibly could be one. In either case, whether he's incredibly stupid, wanted to martyr himself for a cause he saw fit, or he's a spy, I have very little sympathy.

ETA: I did say, "or he is what I believe him to be a spy" or something along those lines. I'll admit that was jumping the gun. I'll rescind that to be, I would not be surprised one damn bit if he were a CIA proxy. Is that better?

This guy is one of many Christians imprisoned in Iran. The idea that lifting sanctions would stop that is naive. Last I looked the majority of the region is being cleansed of Christians.

Many Christians? Or many American Christians? In the case of American Christians yes removing sanctions would help to get them released. They probably wouldn't be such assholes in creating a hassle just because they can. The region being 'cleansed of Christians' is a ridiculous notion. Cleansed as in, 'the final solution?' Please spew that ridiculous propaganda elsewhere. And if that's truly the case, and Christians are being exterminated in Iran, by all means, join the cause. I want no part with that endeavor. As in, being drafted for it, paying for it, etc. I couldn't give two fucks less about naive Americans trying to convert Muslims or hikers who 'get lost.' Don't go to the region. That's simple enough, is it not? Are we expected to go to every country Christians are being persecuted in? As per your religious 'obligations?'

[kcchiefs6465]

When Americans die in tall buildings it was a false flag CIA operation. When Israeli kids are blown up in a school bus in Belgium it was a false flag Mossad act.

When Iranian scientists die in Iran it is the work of Christian Pastors who live in Boise, Idaho.

What is that old saying about when you ASSume things? Please find a post of mine that states any of the above. Or are you just grouping me with every thought that every one believes on this site.

[BlackTerrel]

Well, when trying to drum up support for an unjustified war, I think an American pastor 'POW' could be a route they would consider taking. Hikers don't quite cause the same amount of outcry as a man of God.

Let's be real here for a sec. You don't actually think this do you? No one in this country even knows this man is arrested. No one is covering it. So no it's not going to lead to war with Iran.

Again, I didn't say I believed this man was a spy. I simply stated that he very possibly could be one. In either case, whether he's incredibly stupid, wanted to martyr himself for a cause he saw fit, or he's a spy, I have very little sympathy.

ETA: I did say, "or he is what I believe him to be a spy" or something along those lines. I'll admit that was jumping the gun. I'll rescind that to be, I would not be surprised one damn bit if he were a CIA proxy. Is that better?

How? You could not be less undercover in Iran than being an American Christian. This would be like sending Shaquille O'Neal to spy on the cast of Willow.

Many Christians? Or many American Christians?

Christians. This is the first Christian in Iran to be arrested who has American citizenship as far as I know.

In the case of American Christians yes removing sanctions would help to get them released. They probably wouldn't be such assholes in creating a hassle just because they can.

Why do you hate this man so much. He's an asshole because he went back to his country of origin and has accepted a non-Islamic belief?

The region being 'cleansed of Christians' is a ridiculous notion. Cleansed as in, 'the final solution?' Please spew that ridiculous propaganda elsewhere.

A generation ago Christians were 20% of the mid-east population. Now they are less than 5%. It'll be close to zero soon enough. I know members of the Egyptian community here quite well.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/reli...ddle-East.html

And if that's truly the case, and Christians are being exterminated in Iran, by all means, join the cause. I want no part with that endeavor. As in, being drafted for it, paying for it, etc. I couldn't give two fucks less about naive Americans trying to convert Muslims or hikers who 'get lost.' Don't go to the region. That's simple enough, is it not? Are we expected to go to every country Christians are being persecuted in? As per your religious 'obligations?'

First of all I never said Christians were being exterminated in Iran. Second of all I never said the US should go to war. I just posted an article of a guy imprisoned for his faith and you called him an asshole and likely a spy.

[juleswin]

We have no idea what this man was doing over there. I know people are going to say he was a pastor converting people to Christianity, or maybe he was a hiker and traveled beyond country lines accidently, or maybe he is what I believe him to be, a CIA proxy operating in the area. The first thing that comes to my mind when I read a story like this is that the man shouldn't have been there in the first place. There are other more friendly places to spread the word, other more friendly places to hike etc. We have no diplomacy with Iran and I'm sure they are looking for any American they can to publicly punish. What did this man think was going to happen? Was he just planning on being a martyr? I don't feel sorry for stupid people, surely not when he very probably was a spy doing all sorts of shit he probably shouldn't have been doing. Let this man's family start awareness funds. Maybe if people were educated on the sanctions as well as nuclear energy they would pressure Congress to lift them. (Sanctions) Then maybe we could kindly ask for the man's return and it'd be granted. Either way, he should have thought a little bit more on just what exactly he was doing.

I agree with you. Right now, I give the benefit of the doubt to the Iranian officials who must be having a hard time stopping the assassination of Iranian scientist. This pastor should have known better and stayed clear of Iran while the tension between Iran and US is high. Just imagine what people like Blackterrel would be saying if the Iranian officials had caught the movie crew of Argo.

So I hope they conduct a fair investigation and release him if he is actually a civilian trying to spread the word of Jesus and if he happen to be a CIA agent, then he is shit out of luck.