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    How can we profit from this? CDS seem to be the most profitable, but those generally aren't available to us. Anyone know much about iTraxx, or any other way we can get in on the action?

    Shorting the yen while generally a good idea relies too much on timing I think. Lot of risk if you go in too soon. I also think the returns would be bigger with a CDS
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    I haven't heard of this guy before. Is he a libertarian?

    Also, +rep to the first person who can post me an amusing picture of an adult diaper fashion show
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    Quote Originally Posted by bxm042 View Post
    How can we profit from this? CDS seem to be the most profitable, but those generally aren't available to us. Anyone know much about iTraxx, or any other way we can get in on the action?

    Shorting the yen while generally a good idea relies too much on timing I think. Lot of risk if you go in too soon. I also think the returns would be bigger with a CDS
    He's telling the truth but at the same time.... Japan is in the "too big to fail" group.

    Can isolate Greece by spending 10 years building a firewall around it.

    But Japan? no.

    The rest of the world might as well start the Japanese bailout right now. That would be almost as big as letting the entire Eurozone fail all at one time.
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    It's worse than the Eurozone and certainly much worse than Greece.

    The Eurozone's demographic nightmare is decades out and their financial crisis issues remain to be seen. If you support Austrian economics then cutting spending should resolve a debt issue...

    As mentioned in the video, Japan is the most Xenophobic nation -and- their people don't reproduce. So their demographic nightmare is right now and you can't change that.

    Europe's average age: 39.9 (source: http://en.worldstat.info/Europe/List...tal_median_age)
    USA's average age: 37.2 (source: http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/b...c2010br-03.pdf)
    Japan's average age: 44.6 (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._by_median_age)

    If that number holds true, the USA would be where Japan is in 20 to 30 years. Europe getting there a little sooner. Both examples assume nothing changes... no wars, no baby booms, etc.

    What concerns me most is that Ben Bernanke is following the Japan road map. Japan is 20 years into it and is starting to implode. Bernanke started down the road in 2008...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bxm042 View Post
    How can we profit from this? CDS seem to be the most profitable, but those generally aren't available to us. Anyone know much about iTraxx, or any other way we can get in on the action?

    Shorting the yen while generally a good idea relies too much on timing I think. Lot of risk if you go in too soon. I also think the returns would be bigger with a CDS
    I believe buying puts on the FXJ is the best way for an average joe, but you can't buy them 4 years out. I think Jan 2014 or 15 is the farthest you can go.

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    To those who view an imminent collapse of the US Bond market - take note.

    One of the smartest and well spoken humans on this planet doesn't even view Japans bond market collapse as imminent. 2016.

    Japan is, structurally, a catastrophe when compared to the US and it's structural issues. The US may be in rough shape but it is in WAY better shape than Japan.

    I saw an interview with Kyle Bass (from Oct 2012) stating that he thought the major cracks in the Japanese bond market would surface in 2013 - but COLLAPSE may not occur until 2016. I'm inclined to agree.

    Japan/UK/USA - these are HUGE countries, effectively, superpowers...these sort of things take a lot of time to ferment.

    Japan is FIRST in the collapse.

    When I say collapse...I do not mean just the collapse of an aspect of it's credit markets...I mean the entire way that it is structured as an economy.

    Japan will go down BEFORE the US.

    Relative to the other sinking ships, the US (it's dollar and bond markets) are likely to sink the LEAST quickly.
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    Saved to watch for later when I have time.
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    great video. + rep. Im gonna look up more from this guy.

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