Is anyone here receiving a govt. pension, social security or support payments from govt?

[klamath]

People that use the logic "get everything you can so it will break the system" reminds me of someone trying to commit suicide because their life is so horrible and wake up horribly disfigured and in horrible pain the rest of their lives. They think they have it bad now only to realize just how really really worse it can get.....

[Dianne]

Not me, although I sure could use some reimbursement of the money I've been raped out of since I was 15 years old... now ... 60... you do the math.

I have not collected one dime for the 45 years I've paid into this jackleg system. I've been raped 45 years by the "lawbreakers" aka the "lawmakers" . I am the equivalent of a tenant farmer .. this government has used me, abused me... what more can I say? I don't believe I will collect one dime stolen from me, over the past 45 years.

[Danke]

Not me, although I sure could use some reimbursement of the money I've been raped out of since I was 15 years old... now ... 60... you do the math.

I have not collected one dime for the 45 years I've paid into this jackleg system. I've been raped 45 years by the "lawbreakers" aka the "lawmakers" . I am the equivalent of a tenant farmer .. this government has used me, abused me... what more can I say? I don't believe I will collect one dime stolen from me, over the past 45 years.

They say ignorance of the law is no excuse.

[UWDude]

I took college grants and loans.
Never taken welfare or food stamps, unemployment etc. although I have definitely been broke enough to qualify. It wasn't too long ago I was eating beans, rice and oatmeal every day.
Meh, I wish I had taken welfare or food stamps. I'd have a lot more cash and savings right now. I'm selling my silver to make ends meet.
The ethical way means a life of suffering, while the unethical carelessly play.
And since I don't believe in an afterlife based on deeds, I am just hurting myself.
But I simply cannot find my lack of pride to get food stamps or welfare.
And it's not like I even judge people who use it, as my mom was on it for a few years.
I dunno, maybe it is the best way to get back to the city, as there is nothing for me where I am.

It seems like I never learn the lesson:
If you try to be the change you want to see in the world...
...you'll be left with nothing but a world laughing past you.

[MelissaWV]

To read these threads, it is only ethical to pay into the system... and never to take anything out. The OP says it'd be against Ron's philosophy.

Right? So Ron will not collect any SS, or have Medicare benefits, and he definitely never took a Government paycheck on any level, and of course he never went to a school that benefits from Government dollars!

We're all paying into it on some level or another. While I don't agree with the "get all you can so that you can bankrupt the system" idea, I do believe that it's not hypocritical or the end of the world to use benefits you've paid into.

[heavenlyboy34]

direct question - the US govt. is running a $1.6 trillion yearly deficit. should not all payouts be reduced across the board for everyone receiving govt. $$ to bring this to $0 ? and we haven't even started to get into the 50-70 trillion in unfunded liabilities promised...

to other posters who say "take what you can now" - how is the system crashing faster going to change things for the better? it's just more debt being pushed off that has to be paid eventually - either through inflation, a lower standard of living or higher taxes. you think govt. is going to get smaller? is there ANY time in history where a currency collapsed and the govt. didn't get bigger and make life worse for it's citizens? this is like eating sugar for years and the dentist telling you to stop or your teeth will rot and you'll need dentures - then they do -- and you find out dentures suck. it's not sunshine and roses coming.. it's misery.

Every welfare state/empire collapses in one way or another. This is a good thing. I don't see a problem with people using the system to expropriate money from the regime. Your argument could also be used against participating in the political process, you know.

btw, this situation just goes to show that Constitutionalism as we know it can't work long term. It's too destructive.

[heavenlyboy34]

If you seriously want to reduce government and balance the budget you HAVE to look at Grannie. And GI Joe. Three programs consume the vast majority of the budget- defense spending, Social Security, and Medicare/Medicaid. If you got rid of EVERYTHING else, you still cannot balance the budget (in the absence of higher taxes). They are also going to be the fastest growing portions on into the future unless changes are made.

Truth. And where is that FEMA party you're hosting? I'd like to come.

[UWDude]

If you seriously want to reduce government and balance the budget you HAVE to look at Grannie. And GI Joe. Three programs consume the vast majority of the budget- defense spending, Social Security, and Medicare/Medicaid. If you got rid of EVERYTHING else, you still cannot balance the budget (in the absence of higher taxes). They are also going to be the fastest growing portions on into the future unless changes are made.

Granny, GI Joe, and Goldman Sachs.
Why are we paying interest on money we should be printing ourselves anyway?
Why did we ever agree to pay interest?
Why should we pay interest on an unconstitutional agreement?
Why are we even worried about our "national debt"?

We are the breadbasket of the world. We have tons of resources and one of the best educated workforces. We aren't going to "die" or "collapse" if we default on something we never really wanted in the first place.

Why is my sorry 35 year old ass responsible for the idiotic choices of the generations before me? Why do I have to pay for the wars I never wanted but gleefully sold by the MIC and banks to us as a way to jump start the economy, amongst other things?

Fuck em.
Hang em and burn em, I say.
And let the rest beg to forgive us our debts.
Or chain em and hang em too.

[Acala]

If you seriously want to reduce government and balance the budget you HAVE to look at Grannie. And GI Joe. Three programs consume the vast majority of the budget- defense spending, Social Security, and Medicare/Medicaid. If you got rid of EVERYTHING else, you still cannot balance the budget (in the absence of higher taxes). They are also going to be the fastest growing portions on into the future unless changes are made.

Yup. And it will not happen.

For several generations now, government in this country has been primarily about handing out largess. The excuses for it - national security, helping the poor, supporting the elderly, protecting consumers, etc. - are almost inumerable, but the real government agenda is, and has been for over a century, taking wealth and freedom from any source they can get their hands into and giving it to whoever helps get them elected. Banks, unions, and government contractors of various types have been major recipients but certainly not the only ones. Major voting blocks, like Social Security beneficiaries and government workers, are at the trough too. It has become a way of life.

The fact is that the primary business of government is keeping the feeding trough full, and has been for generations. They really don't know how to do anything else. And so they won't. They will use every trick, every deceit, every cowardly scam, every manner of theft and fraud, to keep the trough full for as long as possible because THAT is all they know how to do. You might as well ask a lion to become a vegetarian as ask Congress to seriously cut spending. They will die first.

They are just about out of slop for the trough now. But they are not going to stop until every drop they can get their hands on has gone to the hogs. Then the hogs will turn on them and on each other.

You are not going to stop this from happening. But it is in the interest of keeping the light of liberty burning for our posterity that YOU survive the debacle that is coming. If you need to elbow in for some of the slop so you can survive the days following the end of the empire, by all means DO IT!

[LibForestPaul]

Granny, GI Joe, and Goldman Sachs.
Why are we paying interest on money we should be printing ourselves anyway?
Why did we ever agree to pay interest?
Why should we pay interest on an unconstitutional agreement?
Why are we even worried about our "national debt"?

We are the breadbasket of the world. We have tons of resources and one of the best educated workforces. We aren't going to "die" or "collapse" if we default on something we never really wanted in the first place.

Why is my sorry 35 year old ass responsible for the idiotic choices of the generations before me? Why do I have to pay for the wars I never wanted but gleefully sold by the MIC and banks to us as a way to jump start the economy, amongst other things?

Fuck em.
Hang em and burn em, I say.
And let the rest beg to forgive us our debts.
Or chain em and hang em too.

+1

Guess what happens when the debt is declared null and void...millions of useless beueracrats will need to do real work instead of shuffling papers, government contractors will actually have to find work, instead of getting handouts, and maybe Jamie Diamond will have to learn a useful trade, like carpenrty.