Is anyone here receiving a govt. pension, social security or support payments from govt?

[ILUVRP]

If the government ever wanted to give me some kind of handout or benefit, I would definitely take it. What I would never do is to become dependent on the government as long as I am in good health. My financial independence is one of the most important things to me.

i think everyone on this forum would do the same.

[helmuth_hubener]

I completely sympathize with posters like tod evans, and I agree with the sentiment. Right on! Don't deal with these creeps! Don't dirty yourself with their blood money! Myself, I also do not receive any direct payments like Socialist Security, welfare, or food stamps. But I do receive lots of indirect benefits and subsidies. The food I buy at grocery stores was subsidized by the thieves at the Department of Agriculture; I avail myself of roads that are funded by theft; I use electricity that comes from an aggression-based system; my tap water is likewise anything but free-market. Should we give these things up?

To quote Walter Block:

"Consistent refusal to deal with government thieves would involve one in committing suicide, since governments control all of the earth's surface. This is anathema to libertarianism, which holds life, not death, as the ideal."

Dr. Block has written on this issue -- should a libertarian take gov't money? -- on many occasions. Here is one of his expositions:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/block/block175.html

[angelatc]

You are teaching your kids how to not work and be on welfare? Or am I misreading this?

Yes, pretty much. How to not pay into the system, legally.


As long as we continue to fund this crap, it will exist. I understand the need for working - bringing home more money than welfare and other programs pay, but people putting money into the bottomless pit of need are possibly a bigger problem than people taking money out.

[sam1952]

Folks, it's done. There isn't going to be any intentional, orderly, planned elimination of government programs or spending. They just had a knock-down fight to the finish about whether or not they would just reduce the rate of increase of spending! And they agreed not to! They are not EVER going to cut spending by any significant amount. They are going to run the bus off the cliff. Ron Paul tried. We tried. Other people tried. We didn't make it and now it is too late.

It still makes sense to support liberty as a political movement, but not because there is any hope of turning this around. Rather, the hope is in laying a foundation for what gets built up out of the ashes. And that includes supporting political leaders that will be around to fight for freedom during reconstruction.

Once the bus hits the bottom of the ravine, then we can start picking up the pieces.

But for now, you should do exactly what the elite insiders are doing - grabbing every remaining shred of wealth you can get your hands on and trying to position yourself to survive what is coming.

That's my advice, for whatever it is worth.

+1

[klamath]

i think everyone on this forum would do the same.

Not.

[talkingpointes]

If there is one group of people I wouldn't mind receiving money at all is returning vets. Their lives are seriously in need of the help most of the time returning. They were willing to give their life (albiet for nothing) so we can give a few dollars.

[klamath]

"Get everything you can, break the system!" Heard this from the counterculture baby boomers as well in the '60's and '70's. Well they have been doing it damned near 50 years. Strange how the cycles keep repeating themselves. The younger generation think they have discovered a startling NEW concept because they has so little respect for their parents and grandparents that they never bothered to listen to what their parents and grandparents said about life and ideas of their youth and repeat exactly what they dispise in the older generations. Human's are funny.

[Tod]

Folks, it's done. There isn't going to be any intentional, orderly, planned elimination of government programs or spending. They just had a knock-down fight to the finish about whether or not they would just reduce the rate of increase of spending! And they agreed not to! They are not EVER going to cut spending by any significant amount. They are going to run the bus off the cliff. Ron Paul tried. We tried. Other people tried. We didn't make it and now it is too late.

It still makes sense to support liberty as a political movement, but not because there is any hope of turning this around. Rather, the hope is in laying a foundation for what gets built up out of the ashes. And that includes supporting political leaders that will be around to fight for freedom during reconstruction.

Once the bus hits the bottom of the ravine, then we can start picking up the pieces.

But for now, you should do exactly what the elite insiders are doing - grabbing every remaining shred of wealth you can get your hands on and trying to position yourself to survive what is coming.

That's my advice, for whatever it is worth.

Thread winner right here ^

[dannno]

With all of the trillions of dollars given to big banks, corporations, defense contractors and all that money wasted on overseas wars, don't you think that if we cut all that spending first it would spur most of the people dependent on government into a much more efficient and productive private sector?

The OP is playing the same tired old game as the establishment.. they pretend the only thing we can cut is granny's pension.

[Zippyjuan]

If you seriously want to reduce government and balance the budget you HAVE to look at Grannie. And GI Joe. Three programs consume the vast majority of the budget- defense spending, Social Security, and Medicare/Medicaid. If you got rid of EVERYTHING else, you still cannot balance the budget (in the absence of higher taxes). They are also going to be the fastest growing portions on into the future unless changes are made.