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    Is anyone here receiving a govt. pension, social security or support payments from govt?

    If so... would you mind telling us what it is (pension, benefits, SS, Medicaid/care, or whatever) - and how do you feel about receiving these benefits in light of the current economic situation (govt. is broke).

    A honest discourse on this from both sides needs to happen and it would be beneficial to see different viewpoints on the receiving end vs. the paying end. I know alot of younger folks will say "it's not my problem" - but it is whether they like it or not - and they getting saddled with a future that doesn't look so rosy.



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    Does VA comp count? Hubby served 20+ years - gets disability but not concurrent receipt.. still being screwed out of his earned retirement and he gets SSDI. Long story there involving 4 separate DD214's and some sealed records.. but I digress.
    100% permanent and total disability - 23 documented service connected disabling conditions with the VA.
    how do we feel about it? It was part of his contract for joining the service.. and they're really not living up to their part of the deal. He's got his masters in EEE from MIT and would like to work but cannot.
    He'd like to be able to say he's medically taken care of but he's not. He had a temp filling put in in July.. still has not been able to get an appointment for the permanent filling.
    ok.. I'll stop or this could turn into a full on morning rant
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    Never even used the GI bill.

    I disliked "Our-Government" so much when I got out of the service I swore then and there I would do everything in my power to not cooperate, support or even acknowledge them in any way.

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    Opal,

    VA comp counts and while I sympathize with your husbands situation - I wonder what your thoughts are from a RP perspective on govt. spending vs. the debt situation we are in. I don't know what type of contract is signed upon enlistment but the fact is that the US is broke and borrowing money to pay Vet's benefits and other govt. programs.

    Trying to look at this problem from all sides and yours is on the extreme end where a disabled vet should be supported but only in terms of a reasonable ability to pay. I can't see how payouts can possibly go up from here in terms of the value of today's dollars as we are broke (more than broke - in debt up to our grandkids eyeballs).

    My mother-in-law receives SS surviving spouse benefits in addition to her own and honestly she doesn't need it. She uses it to go out to eat, buy clothes and travel. She feels entitled to it and I think she shouldn't get it. Another person I know retired from the military at the age of 49 - gets a nice pension but works at a full time job. If we are broke - why should these people get anything? Know this is not a popular side to take... but we're fu#&ing broke folks.

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    I work for local government so I get a paycheck on the taxpayers and may one day get a pension (I have been paying for one but have doubts about it ever materializing). Local government has some debt, but here generally operates in the black.

    I don't get any Federal or State benefits. But my general opinion about Federal benefits is that you should take what you can get while you can because the ship is going down and you can't stop it. Time to grab what you can and make a life raft.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acala View Post
    I work for local government so I get a paycheck on the taxpayers and may one day get a pension (I have been paying for one but have doubts about it ever materializing). Local government has some debt, but here generally operates in the black.

    I don't get any Federal or State benefits. But my general opinion about Federal benefits is that you should take what you can get while you can because the ship is going down and you can't stop it. Time to grab what you can and make a life raft.
    Agreed.

    My wife and I have combined received at least 50 k via college and other things, however within the first 2 years of work, all of that money and then some was taken back from us.

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    isn't that in direct contradiction to the RP methodology?

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    you paid 50k+ back plus regular taxes?



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    Quote Originally Posted by cbc58 View Post
    you paid 50k+ back plus regular taxes?
    No. The amount me and my wife have paid in taxes from just 2 years of work has exceeded those benefits (most of which derived from college grants).

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    the more money you get from the government... the quicker the government will go bankrupt. the sooner the bankruptcy happens, the better IMO. hopefully that'll stop the wars, stop the police state, etc.... and get the country back on the right track

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    These threads always make me laugh.
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    I've gotten like 5k in grants, but that doesn't nearly makeup all the money paid into taxes. It was more like a tax refund.
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    Ron Paul was asked if he receives social security. Here is the video clip.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrock View Post
    Ron Paul was asked if he receives social security. Here is the video clip.

    RP also received 30 years of congressional pay he didn't really need....
    Last edited by klamath; 01-02-2013 at 10:24 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by klamath View Post
    RP also received 30 years of congressional pay he didn't really need....
    ....and that of which he partially returns back. Something many other congressman can't say they've done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seraphson View Post
    ....and that of which he partially returns back. Something many other congressman can't say they've done.
    No, he doesn't give back part of his salary. He gave back part of his expense account for offices, staffers, etc.



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    i was in the military 8 yrs ( started at $85/mo , $200/mo when got out ) , then active reserves/national guard 5 yrs. went to jr college at nights under gi bill while working .

    worked goverment defence plant 30 yrs very high tech electronics , between my employer and my money put about 250k into social sec , compound the interest on the contrib's and would be about $300k at time of retirement .



    retired with no retirement from employer , just profit sharing plan . at 62 started getting ss ( and spouse ) , about $1800/mo , it's been 10 yrs , so if the ss account had 300k when i started drawing ss , after the 1st year 300k-21k , then about 280k add interest ,
    after drawing for 13 yrs i figger i now have got back all i put into ss plus what my employer put in ( i figger it to be part of my salary while working there ) .

    from now on i guess you could say i am using money the people working now are putting into ss, for sure not as good as congressman get.

    legacy costs are going to break all goverments --city-county-state-federal

    my solution , military --stay 25yrs for 50% retirement , for every year in a haz zone get 2 yrs credit
    goverments --firemen/policemen change to 25 yrs to retire

    above is just some numbers to chew on , i have no regrets .

    one think about getting older other than getting more ss $ is its more easy to shoot your age playing gold , i have done it 5 times .

    been lucky , never used medicare/cad
    Last edited by ILUVRP; 01-02-2013 at 10:26 AM.

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    I have no problem with people collecting on contracts they have made with the government. That doesn't mean you can't work to eliminate programs or change how the government contracts in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrock View Post
    I have no problem with people collecting on contracts they have made with the government. That doesn't mean you can't work to eliminate programs or change how the government contracts in the future.
    Folks, it's done. There isn't going to be any intentional, orderly, planned elimination of government programs or spending. They just had a knock-down fight to the finish about whether or not they would just reduce the rate of increase of spending! And they agreed not to! They are not EVER going to cut spending by any significant amount. They are going to run the bus off the cliff. Ron Paul tried. We tried. Other people tried. We didn't make it and now it is too late.

    It still makes sense to support liberty as a political movement, but not because there is any hope of turning this around. Rather, the hope is in laying a foundation for what gets built up out of the ashes. And that includes supporting political leaders that will be around to fight for freedom during reconstruction.

    Once the bus hits the bottom of the ravine, then we can start picking up the pieces.

    But for now, you should do exactly what the elite insiders are doing - grabbing every remaining shred of wealth you can get your hands on and trying to position yourself to survive what is coming.

    That's my advice, for whatever it is worth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acala View Post
    Folks, it's done. There isn't going to be any intentional, orderly, planned elimination of government programs or spending. They just had a knock-down fight to the finish about whether or not they would just reduce the rate of increase of spending! And they agreed not to! They are not EVER going to cut spending by any significant amount. They are going to run the bus off the cliff. Ron Paul tried. We tried. Other people tried. We didn't make it and now it is too late.

    It still makes sense to support liberty as a political movement, but not because there is any hope of turning this around. Rather, the hope is in laying a foundation for what gets built up out of the ashes. And that includes supporting political leaders that will be around to fight for freedom during reconstruction.

    Once the bus hits the bottom of the ravine, then we can start picking up the pieces.

    But for now, you should do exactly what the elite insiders are doing - grabbing every remaining shred of wealth you can get your hands on and trying to position yourself to survive what is coming.

    That's my advice, for whatever it is worth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acala View Post
    Folks, it's done. There isn't going to be any intentional, orderly, planned elimination of government programs or spending. They just had a knock-down fight to the finish about whether or not they would just reduce the rate of increase of spending! And they agreed not to! They are not EVER going to cut spending by any significant amount. They are going to run the bus off the cliff. Ron Paul tried. We tried. Other people tried. We didn't make it and now it is too late.

    It still makes sense to support liberty as a political movement, but not because there is any hope of turning this around. Rather, the hope is in laying a foundation for what gets built up out of the ashes. And that includes supporting political leaders that will be around to fight for freedom during reconstruction.

    Once the bus hits the bottom of the ravine, then we can start picking up the pieces.

    But for now, you should do exactly what the elite insiders are doing - grabbing every remaining shred of wealth you can get your hands on and trying to position yourself to survive what is coming.

    That's my advice, for whatever it is worth.
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    "I have no problem with people collecting on contracts they have made with the government."

    We are the govt. We are broke. Are you advocating we put our kids and grandkids on the hook to pay for things when they have no say in the matter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbc58 View Post
    "I have no problem with people collecting on contracts they have made with the government."

    We are the govt. We are broke. Are you advocating we put our kids and grandkids on the hook to pay for things when they have no say in the matter?
    So what exactly are you sugesting people that are now too old to return to the workforce do? You seem to be passing a lot of judgement?
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    Quote Originally Posted by klamath View Post
    So what exactly are you sugesting people that are now too old to return to the workforce do? You seem to be passing a lot of judgement?
    How about live with less. How about have their family support them rather than the govt. (I am only talking in terms of receiving more out than paid in - i think every penny paid in should be available).

    What do you suggest we do given the fact that we are beyond broke ?



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    Quote Originally Posted by cbc58 View Post
    What do you suggest we do given the fact that we are beyond broke ?
    Fire every federal employee whose job is not authorized in the constitution and provide them with zero unemployment benefits.

    Stop all undeclared wars and eliminate all foreign aid.

    See where we are in a year...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbc58 View Post
    How about live with less. How about have their family support them rather than the govt. (I am only talking in terms of receiving more out than paid in - i think every penny paid in should be available).

    What do you suggest we do given the fact that we are beyond broke ?
    Is your MNL really receiving her own as well as her husbands surviver benefits? My mother could only chose between the two. She gave up her own SSI and only recieves surviver benefits. Are you going to take her in if she quits accepting benefits?
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    Quote Originally Posted by klamath View Post
    So what exactly are you sugesting people that are now too old to return to the workforce do? You seem to be passing a lot of judgement?
    Unfortunatey, I've noticed a lot of that over the years on these forums and it pisses me off. Some people are under the misguided impression that ALL seniors like my parents (who were blue collar workers) are wealthy and playing golf all day in Palm Beach.

    The truth is, my parents are on a fixed income. They worked hard all of their lives and put into S.S. At one point my father worked 2 jobs to support his family. Maybe if there wasn't a tax on personal income, we wouldn't need S.S. because people would have been able to kept more of the fruit of their labor. So please, let's drop the judgemental attitudes. Thanks....
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    Quote Originally Posted by libertygrl View Post
    Maybe if there wasn't a tax on personal income, we wouldn't need S.S. because people would have been able to kept more of the fruit of their labor.
    We do not need the SS for the same reason we do not need an archipelago of concentration camps gassing unpopular people to death. We don't need it because it is evil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by klamath View Post
    So what exactly are you sugesting people that are now too old to return to the workforce do? You seem to be passing a lot of judgement?
    Of course they should do whatever they wish. But the state should not be sending them checks. That is evil, wrong, destructive, and reprehensible, and must end immediately.

    Our nationalist socialist pension system is evil. It is a black stain on our national character. As slavery, it must be abolished. Now.

  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by cbc58 View Post
    We are the govt. We are broke. Are you advocating we put our kids and grandkids on the hook to pay for things when they have no say in the matter?
    I agree. Let's change it for the future. Past contracts need to be honored though. The only legal way to get out of past contracts is to go though bankrupcy. I would recommend focusing on cutting welfare for individuals and corporations (no contracts) and bringing home the troops. That would get you most of the way where you want to go budget-wise.

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