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    Exclamation UT - SWAT cops raid wrong house, arrest wrong man, terrorize family.

    Had the man done what any normal red blooded man who was armed had done, grabbed his firearm before confronting what was an unknown invasion, these heroic public servants assured him they "would have blown him away".

    Tell me, who are the terrorists again?



    Ogden family distraught after police mistake husband for wanted man

    http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/55...-eric.html.csp

    By Jessica Miller

    The Salt Lake Tribune
    First Published Dec 29 2012 01:01 am • Last Updated Dec 29 2012 01:01 am

    Eric Hill woke at 2:30 a.m. on Dec. 20 to his scared daughter telling him she had heard knocking near her closet.

    Hill thought the 10-year-old was hearing things, but then came the banging on the front door of his Ogden home.

    He went from his basement bedroom to the front door and asked who was there.

    No answer.

    Another bang.

    Hill said he finally armed himself with a baseball bat and asked again who was there.

    "Ogden Police," a voice called out from outside the home, located in the 1000 block of Harrop Street.

    "At that point, I didn’t believe it," Hill said. "It took them so long to respond to me."

    But Hill opened his front door and was met with six men who he said were dressed in black, with no police identifiers that he saw. Three had assault rifles, Hill said; two were carrying tactical shotguns.

    The men pointed their guns at Hill and told him to drop the bat and come outside.

    "They just automatically placed me in handcuffs," Hill said. "I [told] them my name, and they [kept] telling me my name is Derek."

    Hill said the officers told them that a felony arrest warrant was being served because he had gone AWOL from the military. But Hill, 28, had never been in the military.

    The man police were looking for was a 23-year-old whom officers found a couple of hours later, according to arrest records. Second District Court records show the man has been charged with desertion.

    While Hill was upstairs trying to reason with the officers that he was who he said he was, Melanie Hill, his wife, said she was in their basement bedroom with their two children, ages 4 and 10, trying to make out what the voices were saying upstairs.

    She said she grabbed her phone to dial 911, thinking the voices were that of a distraught neighbor. But when she went to the stairwell, she was met with a man holding an assault rifle.

    "I thought we were getting robbed," she said. "I had no idea who the person on the stairs was."

    Melanie Hill said she was told to go downstairs and grab her husband’s wallet so he could prove his identification. She said her children followed her up the stairs and were terrified to see armed strangers in their home.

    "After the [Newtown, Conn.] shooting that just happened, my [older] kid was already scared to go to school," Eric Hill said. "They are just traumatized by it."

    Eventually, Eric Hill proved his identity to the officers, and they took him out of handcuffs, the couple said. But the couple said the officers never further identified themselves or explained why they had come to their house.

    Melanie Hill said one of the officers made a comment about her husband coming to the door with a bat, saying that had it been a gun, the officers would have "blown you away."

    "It was a split decision to grab that bat," she said. "They could have killed him in his house for no reason in front of me and my kids. There should be other tactics to handle this kind of situation."

    Ogden police Lt. Will Cragun said officers initially thought Eric Hill matched the description of the man for whom they were looking. He said once the officers verified Eric Hill’s identity, they released him and apologized for the error.

    "These things are going to happen on occasion," he said. "It’s unfortunate for Mr. Hill. His response [in holding a bat], I totally get. He has the right to protect his family. I would hope [the officers] are professional."


    Cragun said instances of mistaken identity are not common, but do happen. He said that the officers who went to the home were patrol officers working the night shift and would have been dressed in a patrol uniform, which includes a navy blue shirt with police patches, and tan pants.

    Eric Hill said he received a phone call from police Chief Mike Ashment several days ago, explaining that the warrant was served at his house because it was the last known address of the man facing the arrest warrant.

    The Hill family bought the house six months ago, Eric Hill said, but added that his neighbor told him the man police were looking for was the previous homeowner’s nephew, who had never lived at the home.

    No formal complaint about the incident has been filed to the police department, Cragun said.
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    Claymores on the porch? How else do you stop this bullsh!t? What the fk!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by brushfire View Post
    Claymores on the porch? How else do you stop this bullsh!t? What the fk!?
    Take the money away....

    It's the only way to stop them.

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    Cops should have shot him. For all they know, he could've thrown the bat at them, severely injuring at least one officer. Officer safety is paramount, and must come first.

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    Officer safety.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Take the money away....

    It's the only way to stop them.
    I agree, the money is the weak spot. Sue the $#@! out the police until their funding is crippled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Take the money away....

    It's the only way to stop them.
    Some lead poisoning directed at high-ranking officers might do even more -- not that I necessarily advocate that, that would be wrong!



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    Quote Originally Posted by SeanTX View Post
    Some lead poisoning directed at high-ranking officers might do even more -- not that I necessarily advocate that, that would be wrong!
    What the $#@! is it with you and lead poisoning?
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    ././.
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    bats are a dangerous weapon. it was probably an illegal bat at that (according to little league rules). i bet the bat was stolen. didnt they run it to see if it was registered to the home owner?

    edit; i cant sleep knowing the fear those brave cops must have felt seeing that bat being brandished (in a way) at them so close. and i bet it was so dark they couldnt see if it was made of wood or aluminum.

    i bet it was a louisville slugger. i bet it was one that jim cornette sold to the home owner at an illegal nwa fanfest event where we all know bats are everywhere. im just glad he didnt use the tennis racket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by satchelmcqueen View Post
    bats are a dangerous weapon. it was probably an illegal bat at that (according to little league rules). i bet the bat was stolen. didnt they run it to see if it was registered to the home owner?
    Assault Instrument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    What the $#@! is it with you and lead poisoning?
    I don't like tyranny and the "Just Us" system isn't working out so well as far as protecting our rights go -- how's that, $#@! ?
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    What a bunch of complete scum

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    I agree, the money is the weak spot. Sue the $#@! out the police until their funding is crippled.
    I don't think that's the answer. When you sue the police, the taxpayers pay for it. If you cripple the source of the money, you are essentially crippling the local economy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeanTX View Post
    I don't like tyranny and the "Just Us" system isn't working out so well as far as protecting our rights go -- how's that, $#@! ?
    I would love to just tell all pigs who get paid for sitting at a computer all day writing pointless inflammatory messages (some refer to it as trawling) to get a real goddamn job why don't they. Do you have any ideas on how I might be able to relay that message?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulConventionWV View Post
    I don't think that's the answer. When you sue the police, the taxpayers pay for it. If you cripple the source of the money, you are essentially crippling the local economy.
    And the vast majority of voters in a locale will usually vote for police levys no matter what. (i.e. most senior citizens)

    ETA: That's exactly the reason why suing the police departments hasn't worked.
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    Reminder of Ogden almost one year ago - SWAT raid results in 50% of the SWAT team wounded or killed:


    Law enforcement officers are stationed outside home at 3268 Jackslon Street in Ogden, Utah where five police officers were injured and one killed in a firefight during a drug raid Wednesday night on Thursday, Jan. 5, 2012. A shootout erupted when police raided a Utah house on Wednesday evening, killing an officer and seriously wounding five others and the suspect, authorities said. The suspect, Matthew David Stewart, 37, has a limited criminal history. Stewart suffered injuries that are not life threatening, though it's unclear if he was shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pericles View Post
    Reminder of Ogden almost one year ago - SWAT raid results in 50% of the SWAT team wounded or killed:


    Law enforcement officers are stationed outside home at 3268 Jackslon Street in Ogden, Utah where five police officers were injured and one killed in a firefight during a drug raid Wednesday night on Thursday, Jan. 5, 2012. A shootout erupted when police raided a Utah house on Wednesday evening, killing an officer and seriously wounding five others and the suspect, authorities said. The suspect, Matthew David Stewart, 37, has a limited criminal history. Stewart suffered injuries that are not life threatening, though it's unclear if he was shot.
    http://www.helpmatthewstewart.org/
    Quite right:

    -- Botched raid in Ogden, Utah, terrorizes family. This would be the same Ogden SWAT team that killed golf club-wielding Todd Blair during a botched meth raid in 2010, and that got into a fatal shootout with Matthew Stewart earlier this year, resulting in the death of one cop. Stewart was raided after an ex-girlfriend tipped off cops that he was growing marijuana plants.

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    Besides all of the wrong here... answering your door at 2:30 a.m. with a bat is just a bad idea. Unless you have sufficient surveillance cams, in which case I don't know who would answer that door at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    I agree, the money is the weak spot. Sue the $#@! out the police until their funding is crippled.
    Except that we are their funding. An amendment should be passed that clarifies individuals officers will be personally responsible for their indiscretions/crimes.
    Best of luck in life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Quite right:

    -- Botched raid in Ogden, Utah, terrorizes family. This would be the same Ogden SWAT team that killed golf club-wielding Todd Blair during a botched meth raid in 2010, and that got into a fatal shootout with Matthew Stewart earlier this year, resulting in the death of one cop. Stewart was raided after an ex-girlfriend tipped off cops that he was growing marijuana plants.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/radley...f=the-agitator
    Not a good place to live if you own golf clubs, baseball bats, or have a pissed off girlfriend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bolil View Post
    Except that we are their funding. An amendment should be passed that clarifies individuals officers will be personally responsible for their indiscretions/crimes.
    Eliminating all federal funding would help too..

    Cops have become too detached from the citizens, let them justify their pay from locals instead of the big printing presses in Washington.



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    Duplicate post
    Last edited by tod evans; 01-01-2013 at 06:54 AM.

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    It seems security cams is the best way to know if its thieves that will rob your house, kill you and rape your wife... or if its the police who will blast you away for protecting your family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alucard13mmfmj View Post
    It seems security cams is the best way to know if its thieves that will rob your house, kill you and rape your wife... or if its the police who will blast you away for protecting your family.
    How is that an "or" statement?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Hill said the officers told them that a felony arrest warrant was being served because he had gone AWOL from the military.
    Sure glad they pulled out all the stops to get what is obviously a violent criminal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alucard13mmfmj View Post
    It seems security cams is the best way to know if its thieves that will rob your house, kill you and rape your wife... or if its the police who will blast you away for protecting your family.

    My point was that if you have sufficient cams, you don't need to answer your door with a bat. You might wish to answer your door at 2:30 am if you look and see it is a friend knocking. A bunch of guys mulling around outside my front door wouldn't get an answer at all. It might make me choose a different spot in the house until they went away. Unless you can't process it, more information is helpful instead of blindly opening a door, with a bat of all things.
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