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    Quote Originally Posted by Confederate View Post
    Pat Buchanan.
    Buchanan was more Jacksonian until the end of the Cold War.
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    Quote Originally Posted by compromise View Post
    Buchanan was more Jacksonian until the end of the Cold War.
    True, but he's been the most outspoken conservative commentator against middle eastern intervention along with Ron Paul. Pat Buchanan is awesome, better than Ron Paul, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Confederate View Post
    True, but he's been the most outspoken conservative commentator against middle eastern intervention along with Ron Paul. Pat Buchanan is awesome, better than Ron Paul, IMO.
    If you like protectionism and nanny state government, sure.
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    Perhaps the most important lesson from Obamacare is that while liberty is lost incrementally, it cannot be regained incrementally. The federal leviathan continues its steady growth; sometimes boldly and sometimes quietly. Obamacare is just the latest example, but make no mistake: the statists are winning. So advocates of liberty must reject incremental approaches and fight boldly for bedrock principles.

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    Self-determinationists vs America Determinationists?
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    A government is just a body of people, notably, usually, ungoverned.

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    Buchanan is a fraud who supported Romney.

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    Also this Jeffersonian/Jacksonian/whatever bullshit isn't going to get us anywhere. Either you support American bloodshed for Israel and other economic interests or you don't. Either you support continuous destabilization in the Middle East or you don't. Either you support our lives and money being wasted while not making anyone safer, or you don't. It is up to us to get people to our side on these issues, and if you really think that labeling current politicians after 1800's Presidents is going to accomplish something, then go for it. But most people would think "what would Jackson do about a nuclear Iran? How the hell do I know?", and then you're back to square zero.

    PS: I personally take offense to be labelled an "idealist" when I'm just supporting common sense. Ron Paul's foreign policy is firmly rooted in reality, and if we're going to supply charts that imply that it isn't, that is strongly counter-intuitive.
    Last edited by Anti-Neocon; 01-02-2013 at 11:22 PM.

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