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    Senator Rand Paul Introduces Fourth Amendment Protection Act


    WASHINGTON, D.C. – Today, Sen. Rand Paul took to the Senate floor to introduce and speak about his amendment to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act Amendments Act Reauthorization Act of 2012, H.R.5949. The amendment, known as the Fourth Amendment Protection Act and co-sponsored by Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) extends Fourth Amendment guarantees to electronic communications and requires specific warrants granted through FISA courts in order to obtain this information.

    Below is a transcript and video of Sen. Paul’s remarks today on his amendment.


    TRANSCRIPT:
    I rise today in support of the Fourth Amendment Protection Act. The Fourth Amendment guarantees the right of the people to be secure in their persons, their houses and their papers and their effects against unreasonable searches and seizures.

    John Adams considered the fight against general warrants, or what they called in those days ‘writs of assistance,’ he considered this fight to be when the child Independence was born. Our independence and the Fourth Amendment go hand in hand. They emerge together. To discount or to dilute the Fourth Amendment would be to deny really what constitutes our very republic.

    But somehow along the way, we became lazy and haphazard in our vigilance. We allowed Congress and the courts to diminish our Fourth Amendment protections, particularly when we gave our papers to a third party. Once you gave information to an Internet provider or to a bank. Once we allowed our papers to be held by a third party, such as telephone companies or Internet providers, the courts determined that we no longer had a legally recognized expectation of privacy.

    Now, there have been some dissents over time. Justice Marshall dissented in the California Bankers Association v. Shultz case, and he wrote these words – “the fact that one has disclosed private papers to a bank for a limited purpose within the context of a confidential customer-bank relationship does not mean that you have waived all right to the privacy of your papers.”

    But privacy and the Fourth Amendment have steadily lost ground over the past century. From the California Bankers Association case to Smith v. Maryland to U.S. v. Miller. The majority has ruled that your records, once they are held by a third party, don’t deserve the same Fourth Amendment protections. Ironically, though, digital records seem to get less protection than paper records. As the National Association of Defense Attorneys has pointed out, since the 1870’s, the government must get a warrant to look and read your mail, as is the case of Katz v. The United States, the government has been required to have a warrant to tap your phone. However, under current law, your e-mail, your text messages and other electronic communications do not receive the same level of protection as your phone calls do. Why is a phone call deserving of more protection than your e-mail or your text? Justice Sotomayor in U.S. v. Jones, the recent supreme court case that says the government can’t put a GPS tracking device on your car without a warrant says this – “I for one doubt that people would accept without complaint the warrantless disclosure of the government to the government of a list of every website they have visited in the last week, month or year. I would not assume that all information voluntarily disclosed to some member of the public for unlimited purpose is for that reason alone disentitled to the Fourth Amendment protections.

    Justices Marshall and Brennan, dissenting in Smith v. Maryland said in emphasizing the dangers in giving up Fourth Amendment protections, they wrote -- "the prospect of government monitoring will undoubtedly prove disturbing, even to those with nothing illicit to hide. Many individuals, including members of unpopular political organizations or journalists with confidential sources, may legitimately wish to avoid disclosure of their personal contacts."

    In Miller and in Smith, the Supreme Court held that the Fourth Amendment did not protect records held by third parties. Sotomayor wrote in the jones case that it may be time to reconsider these cases, reconsider how they were decided, that their approach is, in her words, ill-suited to the digital age in which people reveal a great deal of information about themselves to third parties in the course of carrying out mundane tasks.

    Today, this amendment that I will present, the Fourth Amendment Protection Act, does precisely that. This amendment would restore the Fourth Amendment protection to third party records. This amendment would simply apply the Fourth Amendment to modern means of communications. E-mailing and text messaging would be given the same protections we currently give to telephone conversations. Some may ask well, why go to such great lengths to protect records? Isn’t the government just interested in the records of bad people?

    Well, to answer this question, you must imagine your Visa statement and imagine what information is on your Visa statement. From your Visa statement, the government may be able to ascertain what magazines you read, whether you drink and how much, whether you gamble and how much, whether you’re a conservative, a liberal, a libertarian, whom do you contribute to, who is your preferred political party, whether you attend a church, a synagogue or a mosque, whether you see a psychiatrist, what type of medication do you take. By poring over your Visa statement, the government can pry into every aspect of your personal life. Do you really want to allow your government unfettered access to sift through millions and millions of records without first obtaining a judicial warrant? If we have people who are accused of committing a crime, we go before a judge and get a warrant. It’s not that hard.

    I’m not saying we won’t be allowed to look through records, but I’m just saying that the mass of ordinary, innocent citizens should not have their records rifled through by a government who does not first have to ask a judge for a warrant before they look at your personal records.
    We have examples in the past, in our own country, of abuses of government. During the civil rights era, the government snooped on activists. During the Vietnam era, the government snooped on antiwar protesters. In a digital age where computers can process billions of bits of information, do we want the government to have unfettered access to every detail of our lives? From your Visa statement, the government can determine what diseases you may or may not have, whether you’re I impotent, manic, depressed, whether you’re a gun owner, whether you buy ammunition, whether you’re an animal rights activist, whether you’re an environmental activist, what books you order, what blogs you read, what stores or Internet sites you look at. Do you really want your government to have free and unlimited access to everything you do on your computer?

    The Fourth Amendment was written in a different time and a different age, but its necessity and its truth are timeless. The right to privacy, and for that matter, the right to private property, are not explicitly mentioned in the Constitution, but the Ninth Amendment says that the rights not stated are not to be disparaged or denied. James Otis, arguably the father of the Fourth Amendment, put it best when he said one of the most essential branches of English liberty is the freedom of one’s house. A man’s house is his castle, and while he is quiet, he is as well-guarded as a prince in his castle. Today’s castle may be your apartment, and who knows where the information is coming from. It may be paper in your apartment, but it may be bits of data stored who knows where, but there is a reason why our government should be restrained from invading a sphere of privacy that is a timeless concept. Over the past few decades, our right to privacy has been eroded. The Fourth Amendment Protection Act will go a long way to restoring this cherished and necessary right.

    I hope that my colleagues will consider supporting, defending and enhancing the Fourth Amendment, bringing it into a modern age when modern electronic and computer information and communications are once again protected by the Fourth Amendment. Thank you, and I reserve the balance of my time.

    SOURCE:
    http://paul.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=668
    Last edited by Matt Collins; 12-27-2012 at 03:17 PM.
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    What does Rand say about this kind of recent tyranny in the mean time?

    Armed task force to patrol streets: http://www.paragoulddailypress.com/a...1511092932.txt

    I mean, it's all peaches and creme to want to extend Fourth Amendment guarantees to electronic communications but the fact remains that citizens cannot even physically walk their dog or even themselves in public without having their 4th amendment peed on right this second. And apparently these armed stormtoopers who are doing the peeing say "We're not going to take a lot of flack" during the violation. "Will there be people who buck us?", they ask. "There may be", they say. "But we have a right to be doing what we're doing. We have a zero-tolerance. We are prepared to throw your hind-end in jail, OK?", they maintain. What says Rand regarding the current violations? Can't particularly start to butter bread that is still in the oven in my opinion.




    According to Mayor Mike Gaskill and Police Chief Todd - armed officers will be patrolling the streets on foot demanding papers please.



    "Police are going to be in SWAT gear and have AR-15s around their neck," Stovall said. "If you're out walking, we're going to stop you, ask why you're out walking, check for your ID."

    We're going to do it to everybody," he said.


    They may not be doing anything but walking their dog," he said. "But they're going to have to prove it."

    This fear is what's given us the reason to do this. Once I have stats and people saying they're scared, we can do this," he said. "It allows us to do what we're fixing to do."


    Individuals who do not produce identification when asked could be charged with obstructing a governmental operation, according to Stovall.


    Will there be people who buck us? There may be. But we have a right to be doing what we're doing. We have a zero-tolerance. We are prepared to throw your hind-end in jail, OK? We're not going to take a lot of flack."
    Last edited by Natural Citizen; 12-27-2012 at 03:59 PM.

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    From an e-mail:


    Dear Matt,

    According to the latest reports, the Senate is expected to vote as early as tonight to reauthorize the FISA Amendments Act of 2008 (FAA) for 5 years.

    The statists hide behind this legislation to supposedly "justify" warrantless wiretapping of American citizens communicating with those overseas, among other things.

    Despite the best efforts of liberty-minded activists and even some members of Congress, no one outside of a select few know for sure how many innocent Americans have had their privacy violated or which of their overseas communications are being monitored (it could be all) due to the FAA's sweeping permissions.

    And as is usually the case with these kinds of bills, instead of holding an honest debate on the legislation's effects - as is promised when these bills are first passed - the politicians do their best to ram through the reauthorization votes without any challenge.

    But a few senators, including Rand Paul, are refusing to let the FAA pass without a fight.

    Senator Paul has introduced an amendment that is also set to be voted on tonight.

    His amendment would make it clear that Americans' communications are protected from all unwarranted searches and seizures - no matter who wants the information.

    You and I must give these statists exactly what they fear the most - a bruising fight in defense of our fundamental rights.

    It is up to us to drag their unconstitutional schemes into the light of day and mobilize more opposition against their plans.

    So please, take just a moment today to fight for your liberties by contacting your senators and urging them to take the following actions:

    1. Publicly stand in defense of the Constitution by voting for the Rand Paul amendment to the FAA.

    2. Make another statement for liberty by voting against final passage of the FAA and halting this statist scheme entirely.

    3. Go even further by doing everything in their power to find out how many innocent Americans have been affected by the kind of security state power grabs protected by the FISA Amendments Act.

    If you're not sure of your senators' contact information, you can find it here.

    Time is running out, so please take action right away.

    In Liberty,

    John Tate
    President

    P.S. The Senate is expected to vote as early as tonight to reauthorize the FISA Amendments Act of 2008 (FAA) for 5 years.

    No one outside of a select few know how many innocent Americans have had their privacy invaded by this legislation or which of their overseas communications are being monitored due to its sweeping authority.

    Please, take action in defense of your fundamental freedoms right away by contacting your senators and urging them to support the Rand Paul amendment to the FAA.

    Also urge them to make a clear statement in support of the Constitution by voting against final passage of the FAA.

    If you're not sure of your senators' contact information, you can find it here.

    And if you're able to give at this time, a donation of even $10 or $20 will go a long way toward helping C4L stay at the frontlines of the fight for freedom.

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    And another



    Dear Matt

    Obama is spying on you, and you don't even know it.

    He can read your emails, look at your text messages, and listen to your phone calls - and he doesn't even need a warrant to do it.

    Under President Obama, the surveillance state is expanding at an alarming rate to the point that virtually every man, woman, and child in the country is under government surveillance.

    And FISA - which allows warrantless wiretapping and government eavesdropping on American citizens - is vital to the expansion of Obama's spy-nation.

    That is why I have proposed the Fourth Amendment Protection Act as an amendment to the FISA reauthorization, which is expected to be voted on TONIGHT.

    Watch the video explanation of the Fourth Amendment Protection Act here, then call your U.S. Senators and DEMAND they support the Fourth Amendment Protection Act.



    My amendment to FISA extends Fourth Amendment guarantees to electronic communications and requires specific warrants granted through FISA courts in order to obtain this information.

    This amendment is VITAL to protect American citizens against unwarranted invasions of privacy by Obama's surveillance state.

    Without this amendment, FISA will give Obama a blank check to spy on any American at any time for any reason.

    You and I cannot allow this to happen.

    That's why it's vital that you call your U.S. Senator and DEMAND they support the Fourth Amendment Protection Act IMMEDIATELY!

    Tell them to stop Obama from using FISA to trample our Constitutional rights.

    In liberty,

    Rand Paul

    P.S. Obama is expanding his surveillance state at an alarming rate, and FISA reauthorization is the cornerstone of that expansion.

    Please watch my video, then call your U.S. Senators and DEMAND they support the Fourth Amendment Protection Act IMMEDIATLEY!

    And if at all possible, please chip-in a generous contribution to help RandPAC fight against Obama's surveillance state.
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    WASHINGTON, D.C. – This evening, the U.S. Senate voted on amendments to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act Amendments Act Reauthorization Act of 2012, H.R.5949, including one introduced by Sens. Rand Paul and Mike Lee (R-Utah). The amendment, known as the Fourth Amendment Protection Act extends Fourth Amendment guarantees to electronic communications and requires specific warrants granted through FISA courts in order to obtain this information.

    Prior to the vote, Sen. Paul spoke on the floor, urging his colleagues to support his amendment. Below is a transcript and video of his remarks.

    The amendment failed, 79-12.



    TRANSCRIPT:

    The Fourth Amendment guarantees that people should be secure in their persons, houses and papers against unreasonable searches and seizures.

    Somewhere along the way, though, we became lazy and haphazard in our vigilance. We allowed Congress and the courts to diminish our Fourth Amendment protection, particularly when our papers were held by third parties.

    I think most Americans would be shocked to know that the Fourth Amendment does not protect your records if they’re banking, Internet or Visa records. A warrant is required to read your snail mail and to tap your phone, but no warrant is required to look at your e-mail, text or your Internet searches. They can be read without a warrant. Why is a phone call more deserving of privacy protection than an e-mail?

    This amendment would restore the Fourth Amendment protections to third-party records, and I recommend a yes vote.
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    Got to love Rand playing the game. They can attack us for not supporting their bull$#@! laws titled under patriotic or emotional names. Thanks to Rand, we can attack them for not supporting the 4th amendment protection act. Will you $#@!s finally back off of Rand, and recognize what he is doing?

    Slutter McGee

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    I originally read the results here after a quick Googling...

    http://news.antiwar.com/2012/12/27/s...-emails-texts/

    Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D – CA), who led the opposition, insisted that the amendment would keep security forces from stopping terrorism.
    So the woman who wants to remove guns from everyone also wants to remove their right to due process and privacy? What a surprise. This is just so blatantly against the Constitution... how does this woman keep getting votes? And then over 70 Senators vote in favor of undermining the 4th Amendment! I'm so sick of this BULL$#@!.
    Last edited by Aeroneous; 12-27-2012 at 09:07 PM.



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    Posting here to bookmark this for the morning. Definitely calling my Congress critters about this.

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    They're desperate to pass this tomorrow morning as it is, meaning the establishment will order that ALL ammendments be defeated (Reid and McConnell will make sure of the votes to defeat them and pass it) because if they change it then it has go back to the House and time is running out on this congress.

    I hate the way they're rushing through a 5 YEAR extension like this and forcing both leaders to whip.

    prediction: it passes overwhelmingly, as it is, with a handful of senators voting against.

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    Quote Originally Posted by itshappening View Post
    I hate the way they're rushing through a 5 YEAR extension like this and forcing both leaders to whip.

    prediction: it passes overwhelmingly, as it is, with a handful of senators voting against.
    The next time we can stop it is in 2017 when Rand is President.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Traditional Conservative View Post
    The next time we can stop it is in 2017 when Rand is President.
    They will override his veto and grant themselves a 10 year extension.

    The State always finds a way to win

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    It just baffles me that so many are just willing to plow over our constitutional rights in the name of fighting terrorism. It's sad people take someone like Feinstein seriously when she's endorsing wire taps and gun grabbing...now what kind of LIBERAL is that?! Credit to the 12 yays on Paul's and (even more sad) the ONLY 37 yays on an even more bastardized amendment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by supermario21 View Post
    Credit to the 12 yays on Paul's and (even more sad) the ONLY 37 yays on an even more bastardized amendment.
    Anyone have the list of yays? I'd like to write to them and thank them.

    And I'll be sending a very friendly note to Feinstein as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeroneous View Post
    Anyone have the list of yays? I'd like to write to them and thank them.
    http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...n=2&vote=00234

    YEAs ---12
    Baucus (D-MT)
    Begich (D-AK)
    Cantwell (D-WA)
    Heller (R-NV)
    Lee (R-UT)
    Merkley (D-OR)
    Paul (R-KY)
    Stabenow (D-MI)
    Tester (D-MT)
    Udall (D-NM)
    Webb (D-VA)
    Wyden (D-OR)



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    “The easiest way to gain control of a population is to carry out acts of terror. [The public] will clamor for such laws if their personal security is threatened”.
    - Josef Stalin

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    Does anyoen have the text of the amendment that Rand proposed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PursuePeace View Post
    http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...n=2&vote=00234

    YEAs ---12
    Baucus (D-MT)
    Begich (D-AK)
    Cantwell (D-WA)
    Heller (R-NV)
    Lee (R-UT)
    Merkley (D-OR)
    Paul (R-KY)
    Stabenow (D-MI)
    Tester (D-MT)
    Udall (D-NM)
    Webb (D-VA)
    Wyden (D-OR)
    Lots of work we have to do to improve our republican allotment in the Senate. Nice to see some dems coming our way on this and not being locked up with Frankenstien-CA.

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    The bill was HR5949 and Paul Amendment #SA3436
    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/...:FLD001:S58453




    SA 3436. Mr. PAUL (for himself and Mr. LEE) proposed an amendment to the bill H.R. 5949, to extend the FISA Amendments Act of 2008 for five years; as follows:

    At the appropriate place, insert the following:

    SEC. __X. FOURTH AMENDMENT PRESERVATION AND PROTECTION ACT OF 2012.

    (a) Short Title.--This section may be cited as the ``Fourth Amendment Preservation and Protection Act of 2012''.

    (b) Findings.--Congress finds that the right under the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures is violated when the Federal Government or a State or local government acquires information voluntarily relinquished by a person to another party for a limited business purpose without the express informed consent of the person to the specific request by the Federal Government or a State or local government or a warrant, upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    (c) Definition.--In this section, the term ``system of records'' means any group of records from which information is retrieved by the name of the individual or by some identifying number, symbol, or other identifying particular associated with the individual.

    (d) Prohibition.--

    (1) IN GENERAL.--Except as provided in paragraph (2), the Federal Government and a State or local government is prohibited from obtaining or seeking to obtain information relating to an individual or group of individuals held by a third-party in a system of records, and no such information shall be admissible in a criminal prosecution in a court of law.

    (2) EXCEPTION.--The Federal Government or a State or local government may obtain, and a court may admit, information relating to an individual held by a third-party in a system of records if--

    (A) the individual whose name or identification information the Federal Government or State or local government is using to access the information provides express and informed consent to the search; or

    (B) the Federal Government or State or local government obtains a warrant, upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
    Last edited by Matt Collins; 12-28-2012 at 11:43 AM.
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    Rand is going to have a nice record of "bipartisanship."

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    I was just thinking the same thing.

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    All what needs to be done is that some hacker or group (anonymous-ly) hacks those servers and makes names of people that are beeing monitored public and FISA (and some other laws)is history.... millions and millions of "every day citizents" names would be on that list... Not that I would incite anyone to do it... just saying...
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    Quote Originally Posted by orenbus View Post
    If I had to answer this question truthfully I'd probably piss a lot of people off lol, Barrex would be a better person to ask he doesn't seem to care lol.




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