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    MOSCOW — The upper house of the Russian parliament unanimously approved a ban on adoptions to the United States on Wednesday. All eyes are now on the Kremlin as the bill goes to President Putin for his signature.

    The ban was added last week to a broader bill retaliating for human rights sanctions signed by President Obama earlier this month. Putin has expressed support for the broader bill, which reciprocates the sanctions, but dodged questions last week about the adoption ban.

    At stake are the cases of 46 Russian children whose adoptions would be frozen if the bill becomes law, according to Russia’s children’s ombudsman Pavel Astakhav. He said those children would receive priority to be adopted by Russian families.

    The proposed ban has split Russian society. Outside the parliament at least seven people were detained while protesting the bill, according to RIA Novosti. Human rights advocates have urged Russian authorities not to move forward with the ban, saying it denies Russian orphans a home with a family.

    It has also caused a rare division among the Russian government.

    Several top officials, including Russia’s foreign minister and education minister have come out against the ban. A leaked memo from another top official suggested its passage would cause Russia to breach several international treaties, including a recently enacted adoption agreement between the United States and Russia.

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    Good, Russian can keep all the white babies. White people here will just have to adopt more Chinese children.

    Meanwhile, U.S. born black and brown babies still need homes.

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    Sad about Russia and this business, many of those up for adoption are "Alcohol/Drug Babies". There's stats one it, I'll have to find them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HOLLYWOOD View Post
    Sad about Russia and this business, many of those up for adoption are "Alcohol/Drug Babies". There's stats one it, I'll have to find them.
    My neighbors adopted 2 of them some 8 years ago. Great kids, Ive started hiring them to shovel snow and rake leaves.
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    Plenty of US babies still need parents. Maybe this will reduce abortion in the US?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith and stuff View Post
    Plenty of US babies still need parents. Maybe this will reduce abortion in the US?
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    This is really sad, there are so many needy children in Russia in orphanages and in broken homes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Confederate View Post
    This is really sad, there are so many needy children in Russia in orphanages and in broken homes.

    Boohoo, there are plenty here in America that could use the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith and stuff View Post
    Plenty of US babies still need parents. Maybe this will reduce abortion in the US?
    Just some observations:

    In general, black families don't adopt and black babies don't get adopted.

    The gvmt makes it very difficult to adopt a child. The exception is foster parents, who often take in many after jumping through the hoops and get paid by the head by the state for raising them. ie: it's a business and many get taken stolen by CPS and "given" to these foster homes.

    It will have absolutely no impact on abortion.

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    Putin has not indicated he will sign the bill. This was in retaliation ironically to a Free Trade agreement between Russia and the US. The US Congress, during the aproval process of that deal, added a stipulation to deny visas for a handful of Russian government figures who were guilty in a bribery scandal. The lawyer who prosecuted them (and won) was later killed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Putin has not indicated he will sign the bill. This was in retaliation ironically to a Free Trade agreement between Russia and the US. The US Congress, during the aproval process of that deal, added a stipulation to deny visas for a handful of Russian government figures who were guilty in a bribery scandal. The lawyer who prosecuted them (and won) was later killed.
    The press is trying to sell it as retaliation, but in reality, this has been a long time coming. Russia has suspended adoptions recently, and they are not pleased with the US system. This was the last rift I heard of between the Russian and US govts over adoption, but there may have been others since. I haven't been paying close attention lately.

    http://www.csmonitor.com/The-Culture...e-denies-fault

    This isn't the first time Russia has tried to cease adoptions to the US, and if Putin doesn't sign it, it won't be the last time they attempt to end it.
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    Russia's Putin signals he will sign U.S. adoption ban

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    MOSCOW (Reuters) - President Vladimir Putin signaled on Thursday he would sign a bill barring Americans from adopting Russian children into law and sought to forestall criticism of the move by promising measures to better care for his country's orphans.

    In televised comments, Putin tried to appeal to people's patriotism by suggesting that strong and responsible countries should take care of their own and lent his support to a bill that has further strained U.S.-Russia relations.

    "There are probably many places in the world where living standards are higher than ours. So what, are we going to send all our children there? Maybe we should move there ourselves?" he said, with sarcasm.

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    I was also hearing that even though he is now likely to sign it, it could still be a year before it takes any effect which would give it time to go away.
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    I remember a time when hardly anyone in the U.S. would have stood for a poor, defenseless orphan being condemned to life in Russia because it was the world's bastion of socialist tyranny...
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    I remember a time when hardly anyone in the U.S. would have stood for a poor, defenseless orphan being condemned to life in Russia because it was the world's bastion of socialist tyranny...
    And you could take one home for the bargain basement price of $50,000 or so.

    http://www.theadoptionguide.com/cost...-adoption-cost

    And let's not forget that the US isn't exactly a bastion of goodwill and charity. Masha Allen is a pretty good example of that, but there are others as well.

    http://poundpuplegacy.org/masha_allen
    http://www.childlaw.us/masha-allen/ (wrong link, but a good one, so I'll leave it.)

    When looking at the bigger picture, it's difficult to pretend this really is all for the children. Russia has been exporting orphans, and the outcome isn't always picture perfect. I don't blame them for rethinking the idea. Adoption, like any other social program, is outcome based, and outcomes can never be guaranteed.
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    Russia has about 18,000 families signed up for one of these children . There are , about 3/4 of a million of these children.

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    Just putting this out there... bottom end cost of adopting a US kid in the US is $25-35K.

    Bottom end of importing a Russian kid is about $50k.

    Its illegal to sell babies though.


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