Spain on Track for Major Crisis in 2014

[Confederate]

Damned atheists, always fucking up perfectly good dictatorships

The massacre of 50-100,000 religious people was before any dictatorship. Anyway, they wanted to set up a socialist/communist dictatorship.

[bxm042]

The massacre of 50-100,000 religious people was before any dictatorship.

Where were their weapons?

[Confederate]

Where were their weapons?

Priests, nuns, and monks don't usually carry weapons.

The Republicans got their weapons mostly from the Soviet Union and from looting the Spanish Army.

[bxm042]

Priests, nuns, and monks don't usually carry weapons.

The Republicans got their weapons mostly from the Soviet Union and from looting the Spanish Army.

Did the remaining priests, nuns, and monks at least learn a valuable lesson?

[Confederate]

Did the remaining priests, nuns, and monks at least learn a valuable lesson?

Yes, they got cozy with Franco and he protected them.

The new Spanish constitution says this about firearms, though:

"The State shall have exclusive competence over the regime for the production, trading, holding and use of weapons"

[mad cow]

Did the remaining priests, nuns, and monks at least learn a valuable lesson?

Yes,never trust a Commie.

[Confederate]

Yes,never trust a Commie.

+rep

[Origanalist]

Not going to happen. The Spanish Constitution does not allow the regions to hold referendums on their own and since Spain is a unitary state, as opposed to a federal union of sovereign states as the US, all changes to regions' powers must be done by the central government in Madrid.

Anyway, an independence referendum most likely would be opposed by a large majority in Catalunya. Catalans don't even make a majority of the autonomous community's population. They will probably get more autonomy on fiscal matters, probably something along the lines of the autonomy granted to the Basques. More than that I cannot see happening, and even a large portion of Catalans don't support outright independence, but more autonomy for the community, just as in Scotland.

WTF? Just throw a wet blanket on the whole thing "Confederate". I'm sure you proud the South is still part of the Union.

[Confederate]

WTF? Just throw a wet blanket on the whole thing "Confederate". I'm sure you proud the South is still part of the Union.

I'm not saying that Catalans don't have a fundamental right to secede, I'm saying that Constitutionally the referendum can't and probably won't go forward without the central government's blessing. I'm also saying that even if the referendum did go through, it's likely to fail. Catalans don't even make up a majority in Catalunya and even a large amount of Catalans aren't in favor of independence.

The most likely scenario is a revision of Catalunya's autonomous powers to give them more financial autonomy in the same way that the Basques have been granted by the central government.

It's important to take into consideration that Spain is not a federal state, it is a unitary state. Catalunya is not a sovereign entity, it is a autonomous region created by the central government.

[Origanalist]

I understand the politics and circumstances aren't the same as they are here. And I may get a little caught up in any movement away from a central government.... I guess we will just have to wait and see how it plays out.