Spainish government stated they will fight this. I'm sure those con artists in the Madrid government will seek help from the CIA/CFR to infiltrate and steer those within the Catalonia territory.
A paradox of the a bright side: with all the sessions and independence declarations around the world, it should bankrupt the US government faster and end their Imperial world order of special interest, which control the oppressive/destructive foreign policies.
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My own half family live there, though not into politics. My family ancestry is originally from the South. My own mother grew up with the crap that Franco was a good guy. She lived in an era as a child when nobody could really criticise the state. Strangely she still has that view even today when i criticise my dear old Monarch at the Palace, Her Majesty won't find me outside the palace in Uniform
No point... just a train wreck in slow motion. Are the details really needed? The euro will collapse. Economic law is pretty clear on the issue.
It is now a question of outcome... who gains, who loses?
The next decade will be one for the history books...
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Not going to happen. The Spanish Constitution does not allow the regions to hold referendums on their own and since Spain is a unitary state, as opposed to a federal union of sovereign states as the US, all changes to regions' powers must be done by the central government in Madrid.
Anyway, an independence referendum most likely would be opposed by a large majority in Catalunya. Catalans don't even make a majority of the autonomous community's population. They will probably get more autonomy on fiscal matters, probably something along the lines of the autonomy granted to the Basques. More than that I cannot see happening, and even a large portion of Catalans don't support outright independence, but more autonomy for the community, just as in Scotland.
Franco saved Spain from falling to communism and for that I will be eternally grateful. He was my dad's godfather at his baptism as well.Originally Posted by Republicanguy
Scotland is holding a secession referendum in 2014.
Yes, and it most likely will fail. The only reason they're able to hold it is because the Conservative in Westminster agreed to allow it, the Scottish Parliament (which derives all it's powers from statutes devolving power to them from Westminster) does not have the power to call a referendum. The UK, like Spain, is a unitary state, meaning all changes must be approved by the central government in Westminster.
There is a big difference between Scotland and Catalunya, though. Scottish people make up 88% of the population in Scotland, but Catalans make up only about 40% of the population in Catalunya.
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Franco was a dirty dictator, the republicans should of won. My great grandfather and grandfather had no choice about conscription. They never saw any action, but still.
As for the Scottish, they don't really want independence as it stands. They are a poorer part of the UK. The North sea is shared between Norway and the UK, and in decline, so there is no energy.
The republicans were a group of disgusting socialists, communists, and anarcho-syndicalists. Spain would have become a client state of the Soviet Union.
Of course you being an atheist approve of this behavior:
Do you also approve of the republicans murdering 50-100,000 civilians, including 6,832 members of the Catholic clergy?
Franco may have been a dictator, but he saved Spain from Communism. Sadly since his death the country has gone to hell and is a socialist, atheist, feminist, leftist shithole.
Damned atheists, always fucking up perfectly good dictatorships
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