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    The BEST Salad Dressing Ever

    Here are the ingredients for the very BEST salad dressing ever:

    1. Fresh squeezed lemon juice
    2. Extra virgin olive oil
    3. Raw garlic (pressed)
    4. Cayenne powder
    5. Oregano flakes
    6. Basil flakes
    7. Cumin
    8. Salt

    [DISCLAIMER - Please read]: By choosing to make and try this salad dressing, you are agreeing to absolve me of any and all liability and responsibility should your taste buds explode

    As you can see, I didn't include any measurements. That's because my family has always approximated the appropriate amount of each ingredient to add.

    I really love this salad dressing...but there's something that I love even more...economics. Why? Because it's really important for me to understand exactly why I'm 99.9% certain that if I went to my local grocery store right this second, I would be able to find all the ingredients that are necessary to make a salad dressing that would provide my friends, family and I with lots of joy, happiness, pleasure, benefit, utility and welfare.

    Economics is the field of study that focuses on what can be done to try and ensure that we have all the "ingredients" that we need to maximize joy, happiness, pleasure, benefit, utility and welfare. The two main economic theories are the "market" theory and the "planned" or "command" theory.

    Personally, the market theory makes far more sense to me than the "planned" theory. In fact, the "planned" theory makes so little sense that I prefer to refer to it as the "non sequitur" theory.

    The market theory makes sense because...if I want to make the BEST salad dressing ever...I have the freedom to go to the store and exchange my money for the necessary ingredients. By giving my money to the cashier...I'm giving a "high five" to everybody responsible for making these products possible. My money gives them the incentive to continue using society's limited resources for my benefit. Except, clearly I'm not the only one who finds value in giving them positive feedback. The market works because it's the epitome of a group effort.

    The non sequitur theory, on the other hand, makes no sense because, well, it's a non sequitur. If I go to the store, place all the necessary ingredients in my cart, and give my money to the cashier...my money...my "high five"...my positive feedback...my encouragement...my gratitude...my appreciation...my sacrifice...wouldn't go to the people responsible for producing the ingredients that I had placed in my cart...it would be redirected to the people responsible for producing fennel, bananas, tofu, plastic utensils and cheese whiz. As a result, there would be a disconnect between the demand (the premise) and the supply (the conclusion). The shelves would be overflowing with some ingredients/inputs and completely devoid of other ingredients/inputs.

    Nearly all countries have mixed economies. A mixed economy is one where the private sector operates on the market theory while the public sector operates on the non sequitur theory. But do we really want the public sector to be a non sequitur economy? Why would you want to exchange your taxes for a bundle of public goods which does not even come close to matching your preferences? Why would we want the shelves to be overflowing with tanks but completely devoid of environmental protection?

    In essence...economics is the study of why freedom matters. I think I know why freedom matters...which is why I want you to have the freedom to choose which government organizations you give your taxes to. I want you to have the freedom to choose whether you eliminate tanks from your "recipe" just like you have the freedom to choose whether you eliminate garlic from the recipe that I've shared with you. Should you eliminate garlic from the BEST salad dressing ever? No way! Should you have the freedom to do so? Absolutely.

    Is my salad dressing truly the BEST ever? If it really is...then why would I hesitate allowing you to decide for yourself? Is your recipe for life truly the BEST ever? If you really believe it is...then why would you hesitate allowing taxpayers to decide for themselves?

    Here are the three most common reasons why people hesitate:

    1.
    Argument: People are too uninformed to make good decisions
    Counter argument: If people are uninformed it's because they have a vanishingly small say how their taxes are spent. The technical term for this is rational ignorance.

    2.
    Argument: "Important" government organizations would be underfunded.
    Counter argument: How "important" a government organization is to society can only be revealed by our actions. The technical term for this is demonstrated preference.

    3.
    Argument: It would be unfair because rich people would have more influence than poor people.
    Counter argument: Given that nobody evenly distributes their money, a market economy in the public sector would be considerably more fair than the current non sequitur economy. The technical term for this is dollar voting.

    Please make it a priority to understand why society's total welfare absolutely depends on you having the option not to "buy" things. If you don't like what I'm trying to "sell" to you...if you really don't "buy" it...then please, by all means, add me to your ignore list. But if you choose to do so...then your actions would be speaking louder than your words. Clearly you would value the freedom to place any government organization on your ignore list.

    If you do decide to make it a priority to understand why your priorities should matter...then here are a couple of resources that might be of some interest. They aren't interesting because they are pro tax choice...on the contrary...their focus is primarily on the downside of having too many choices. But they are interesting because they assume that you have a firm grasp on why your freedom is important.

    1. Here's a psychologist, Barry Schwartz, making an argument against having too many options...The Paradox of Choice. Not sure if you have to register to watch the video...but it's also available on Netflix. On the TED website you have the option to just read the transcript...but then you'd miss out on all the funny comic strips he shares.

    2. Here's a paper...The Dark Side of Choice...by Simona Botti and Sheena S. Iyengar that offers a more in depth exploration of the same topic discussed by Barry Schwartz.

    Both offer a lot of food for thought...so hopefully you'll take a look at them.

    Is there really a BEST salad dressing? No way...and thank goodness. Life wouldn't be worth living if there wasn't room for improvement. So where's there room for improvement with my salad dressing? I have no idea. I've been too busy trying to find where there's room for improvement in my argument for your freedom.

    Trying to find room for improvement is second nature to us. Not just us though...right next to me there's a cat on a blanket shifting around trying to find where there's room for improvement. The market works because we have the freedom to reward the people who've discovered exactly where there's room for improvement. Is there room for improvement in the public sector? Most definitely. So let's create a market in the public sector and give our taxes to whichever government organizations are doing the most to improve our lives.



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  3. #2
    Congratulations. Your salad dressing is basically just infused olive oil.

    I wonder if you really do dress your salads that way, or if you left off vinegar on purpose? It might be in that wall of text...
    Genuine, willful, aggressive ignorance is the one sure way to tick me off. I wish I could say you were trolling. I know better, and it's just sad.

  4. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by MelissaWV View Post
    Congratulations. Your salad dressing is basically just infused olive oil.

    I wonder if you really do dress your salads that way, or if you left off vinegar on purpose? It might be in that wall of text...
    Heh. For salad dressing... lemon juice beats vinegar any day of the week. Not that I don't like a good Greek salad dressing...but lemon juice is definitely my preference.

    Have you ever tried a salad dressing with lemon juice instead of vinegar?

  5. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by Xerographica View Post
    Heh. For salad dressing... lemon juice beats vinegar any day of the week. Not that I don't like a good Greek salad dressing...but lemon juice is definitely my preference.

    Have you ever tried a salad dressing with lemon juice instead of vinegar?
    Chefs refer to this as a "citronette" when citric acid acid substitutes for acetic.

  6. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by anaconda View Post
    Chefs refer to this as a "citronette" when citric acid acid substitutes for acetic.
    Do you know of any "citronette" salad dressings available at supermarkets?

  7. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by Xerographica View Post
    Do you know of any "citronette" salad dressings available at supermarkets?
    I haven't looked into it. I am trying to eliminate oils due to the high ratio of Omega 6 to Omega 3 polyunsaturated fats. Highly inflammatory as I understand it. That makes salad dressings off limits for me. I recalled seeing the following and it sounded delicious (includes rice vinegar but includes fresh orange juice and is home made. Orange basil):

    http://www.air-way.net/xl/schimolerSteve01.html

  8. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by Xerographica View Post
    Here are the ingredients for the very BEST salad dressing ever:

    1. Fresh squeezed lemon juice
    2. Extra virgin olive oil
    3. Raw garlic (pressed)
    4. Cayenne powder
    5. Oregano flakes
    6. Basil flakes
    7. Cumin
    8. Salt

    [DISCLAIMER - Please read]: By choosing to make and try this salad dressing, you are agreeing to absolve me of any and all liability and responsibility should your taste buds explode

    As you can see, I didn't include any measurements. That's because my family has always approximated the appropriate amount of each ingredient to add.

    I really love this salad dressing...but there's something that I love even more...economics. Why? Because it's really important for me to understand exactly why I'm 99.9% certain that if I went to my local grocery store right this second, I would be able to find all the ingredients that are necessary to make a salad dressing that would provide my friends, family and I with lots of joy, happiness, pleasure, benefit, utility and welfare.

    Economics is the field of study that focuses on what can be done to try and ensure that we have all the "ingredients" that we need to maximize joy, happiness, pleasure, benefit, utility and welfare. The two main economic theories are the "market" theory and the "planned" or "command" theory.

    Personally, the market theory makes far more sense to me than the "planned" theory. In fact, the "planned" theory makes so little sense that I prefer to refer to it as the "non sequitur" theory.

    The market theory makes sense because...if I want to make the BEST salad dressing ever...I have the freedom to go to the store and exchange my money for the necessary ingredients. By giving my money to the cashier...I'm giving a "high five" to everybody responsible for making these products possible. My money gives them the incentive to continue using society's limited resources for my benefit. Except, clearly I'm not the only one who finds value in giving them positive feedback. The market works because it's the epitome of a group effort.

    The non sequitur theory, on the other hand, makes no sense because, well, it's a non sequitur. If I go to the store, place all the necessary ingredients in my cart, and give my money to the cashier...my money...my "high five"...my positive feedback...my encouragement...my gratitude...my appreciation...my sacrifice...wouldn't go to the people responsible for producing the ingredients that I had placed in my cart...it would be redirected to the people responsible for producing fennel, bananas, tofu, plastic utensils and cheese whiz. As a result, there would be a disconnect between the demand (the premise) and the supply (the conclusion). The shelves would be overflowing with some ingredients/inputs and completely devoid of other ingredients/inputs.

    Nearly all countries have mixed economies. A mixed economy is one where the private sector operates on the market theory while the public sector operates on the non sequitur theory. But do we really want the public sector to be a non sequitur economy? Why would you want to exchange your taxes for a bundle of public goods which does not even come close to matching your preferences? Why would we want the shelves to be overflowing with tanks but completely devoid of environmental protection?

    In essence...economics is the study of why freedom matters. I think I know why freedom matters...which is why I want you to have the freedom to choose which government organizations you give your taxes to. I want you to have the freedom to choose whether you eliminate tanks from your "recipe" just like you have the freedom to choose whether you eliminate garlic from the recipe that I've shared with you. Should you eliminate garlic from the BEST salad dressing ever? No way! Should you have the freedom to do so? Absolutely.

    Is my salad dressing truly the BEST ever? If it really is...then why would I hesitate allowing you to decide for yourself? Is your recipe for life truly the BEST ever? If you really believe it is...then why would you hesitate allowing taxpayers to decide for themselves?

    Here are the three most common reasons why people hesitate:

    1.
    Argument: People are too uninformed to make good decisions
    Counter argument: If people are uninformed it's because they have a vanishingly small say how their taxes are spent. The technical term for this is rational ignorance.

    2.
    Argument: "Important" government organizations would be underfunded.
    Counter argument: How "important" a government organization is to society can only be revealed by our actions. The technical term for this is demonstrated preference.

    3.
    Argument: It would be unfair because rich people would have more influence than poor people.
    Counter argument: Given that nobody evenly distributes their money, a market economy in the public sector would be considerably more fair than the current non sequitur economy. The technical term for this is dollar voting.

    Please make it a priority to understand why society's total welfare absolutely depends on you having the option not to "buy" things. If you don't like what I'm trying to "sell" to you...if you really don't "buy" it...then please, by all means, add me to your ignore list. But if you choose to do so...then your actions would be speaking louder than your words. Clearly you would value the freedom to place any government organization on your ignore list.

    If you do decide to make it a priority to understand why your priorities should matter...then here are a couple of resources that might be of some interest. They aren't interesting because they are pro tax choice...on the contrary...their focus is primarily on the downside of having too many choices. But they are interesting because they assume that you have a firm grasp on why your freedom is important.

    1. Here's a psychologist, Barry Schwartz, making an argument against having too many options...The Paradox of Choice. Not sure if you have to register to watch the video...but it's also available on Netflix. On the TED website you have the option to just read the transcript...but then you'd miss out on all the funny comic strips he shares.

    2. Here's a paper...The Dark Side of Choice...by Simona Botti and Sheena S. Iyengar that offers a more in depth exploration of the same topic discussed by Barry Schwartz.

    Both offer a lot of food for thought...so hopefully you'll take a look at them.

    Is there really a BEST salad dressing? No way...and thank goodness. Life wouldn't be worth living if there wasn't room for improvement. So where's there room for improvement with my salad dressing? I have no idea. I've been too busy trying to find where there's room for improvement in my argument for your freedom.

    Trying to find room for improvement is second nature to us. Not just us though...right next to me there's a cat on a blanket shifting around trying to find where there's room for improvement. The market works because we have the freedom to reward the people who've discovered exactly where there's room for improvement. Is there room for improvement in the public sector? Most definitely. So let's create a market in the public sector and give our taxes to whichever government organizations are doing the most to improve our lives.
    If you are forced to make salad dressing, no matter what kind of freedom you have to pick the ingredients, you aren't free. What if I want a salad without dressing? This is obvious to everyone here. There is no need to try to convince anyone otherwise.

    But, it does sound like a tasty recipe. Thanks.

  9. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by Sola_Fide View Post
    If you are forced to make salad dressing, no matter what kind of freedom you have to pick the ingredients, you aren't free. What if I want a salad without dressing? This is obvious to everyone here. There is no need to try to convince anyone otherwise.

    But, it does sound like a tasty recipe. Thanks.
    People believe that government organizations improve their lives. Is there any need to dissuade them of this belief? I don't think so. Here's why...

    Men have a natural propensity to make the best bargain they can, when not prevented by an opposing force; that is, they like to obtain as much as they possibly can for their labour, whether the advantage is obtained from a foreign producer, or a skillful mechanical producer. - Bastiat
    Everybody wants the most bang for their buck. Therefore, taxpayers will want the most value for their tax dollars. Will they get more bang for their buck in the public sector? If so...then it's a good thing that you didn't get rid of the public sector. If not...then you've just opened the eyes of half the country.



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  11. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by Xerographica View Post
    People believe that government organizations improve their lives. Is there any need to dissuade them of this belief? I don't think so.
    Really? Wow. That's quite a statement.

  12. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by Sola_Fide View Post
    Really? Wow. That's quite a statement.
    If most people didn't believe that government organizations improve their lives...then why would one of the primary objections to tax choice be the concern that "important" government organizations would be underfunded?

  13. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by Xerographica View Post
    If most people didn't believe that government organizations improve their lives...then why would one of the primary objections to tax choice be the concern that "important" government organizations would be underfunded?
    I wasn't reacting to that part, I was reacting to this part:

    Originally Posted by Xerographica

    People believe that government organizations improve their lives. Is there any need to dissuade them of this belief? I don't think so.
    That's a pretty profound statement man...quite possibly a window into your deeply held beliefs.

  14. #12
    Salad without dressing? BLASPHEMY!

  15. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by ninepointfive View Post
    Salad without dressing? BLASPHEMY!
    Don't tread on me bro! It's what I value!

  16. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by Sola_Fide View Post
    Don't tread on me bro! It's what I value!
    hehehe

  17. #15
    907 posts and every single one is hucking pragmastablishmentarianism.
    I think you beat out the Whitney Houston guy at this point.
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

  18. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    907 posts and every single one is hucking pragmastablishmentarianism.
    I think you beat out the Whitney Houston guy at this point.
    Did you see that I included a paragraph just for you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Xerographica View Post
    Please make it a priority to understand why society's total welfare absolutely depends on you having the option not to "buy" things. If you don't like what I'm trying to "sell" to you...if you really don't "buy" it...then please, by all means, add me to your ignore list. But if you choose to do so...then your actions would be speaking louder than your words. Clearly you would value the freedom to place any government organization on your ignore list.



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  20. #17
    Ya...lemon juice takes the place of vinegar in this case.

    My addition to this dressing would be to use fresh herbs rather than dried...you'll get twice the taste.
    And if you put a teaspoon of dijon mustard in there and whisk it hard, the dressing will emulsify and you'll have a vinaigrette.

  21. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by Guitarzan View Post
    Ya...lemon juice takes the place of vinegar in this case.
    My addition to this dressing would be to use fresh herbs rather than dried...you'll get twice the taste.
    And if you put a teaspoon of dijon mustard in there and whisk it hard, the dressing will emulsify and you'll have a vinaigrette.
    lemon juice on a salad is a distasteful.

  22. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    lemon juice on a salad is a distasteful.
    Therefore...values are subjective...therefore...taxpayers should be able to give their taxes to whichever government organizations are producing "tasteful" public goods?

  23. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    lemon juice on a salad is a distasteful.
    Not if you add something sweet in the salad. Mandarin oranges come to mind.

  24. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Guitarzan View Post
    Ya...lemon juice takes the place of vinegar in this case.

    My addition to this dressing would be to use fresh herbs rather than dried...you'll get twice the taste.
    And if you put a teaspoon of dijon mustard in there and whisk it hard, the dressing will emulsify and you'll have a vinaigrette.
    Yeah, fresh herbs are always better than dried...good call. Regarding the dijon mustard...if you saw exactly how much raw garlic went into my dressing...then not sure you'd recommend emulsifying it. Would emulsifying it make it thicker? If so...then it would be like salad dressing pudding. But I'm all about the "kick" so next time I'll cut back on the garlic and see how the dijon flavor gets along with the garlic power.

  25. #22
    How many times can this zombie come back to life?

    Oh I know! Let's combine LVT and Pragmatarianism. We'll divide up the country into tax districts, each to fund a different govt. agency. Just think about all those people crowding in to buy the EPA properties. Imagine how the "free market" price of that land will go up and the LVT rent will just skyrocket! Wow, the govt. will just be rolling in dough! Yay Liberty! We can all be free at last!

    Those poor misguided economic ignoramuses who refuse to pay their fair share by choosing to be homeless should just leave. Or maybe we can herd them together into camps we set up on the Entitlement properties. For their own protection of course. And we absolutely must find some thing productive they can do to occupy their time.
    Last edited by Len Larson; 12-24-2012 at 12:48 AM.

  26. #23
    The best salad dressing is Bleu Cheese

  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by VIDEODROME View Post
    The best salad dressing is Bleu Cheese
    There's a spicy version that includes Frank's Red Hot in it that's very tasty.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book



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  29. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    There's a spicy version that includes Frank's Red Hot in it that's very tasty.
    And there's a spectacular supper that includes chicken or turkey tenders, pan-seared then doused in wing sauce, tossed atop a bed of pasta with bleu cheese sauce. Sometimes to mix things up you can toss it atop some chunky mashed potatoes with bleu cheese mixed into them.
    Genuine, willful, aggressive ignorance is the one sure way to tick me off. I wish I could say you were trolling. I know better, and it's just sad.

  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by Xerographica View Post
    Argument: People are too uninformed to make good decisions

    Please make it a priority to understand why society's total welfare absolutely depends on you having the option not to "buy" things. If you don't like what I'm trying to "sell" to you...if you really don't "buy" it...then please, by all means, add me to your ignore list.
    Gee, I wonder why people are too uninformed to make good decisions? Could it be deceit? Like, for instance, could it be that someone who didn't want to hear any more spam about the fallacy that citizens distributing tax dollars is practical, but might be interested in a salad dressing, might resent falling for this Trojan Horse?

    No thanks on the demonstrably unworkable tax plan. No thanks on a salad dressing that makes salad taste sort of like chili, either. And no thanks for the Trojan Horse.

    But, Merry Christmas anyway.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Gee, I wonder why people are too uninformed to make good decisions? Could it be deceit? Like, for instance, could it be that someone who didn't want to hear any more spam about the fallacy that citizens distributing tax dollars is practical, but might be interested in a salad dressing, might resent falling for this Trojan Horse?
    LOL...if this is the first time that I've fooled you...then, well, shame on me. But chances are pretty good that this won't be the last time that I'll use another topic to try and help people understand why market economies are far superior to non sequitur economies. So, unless you want to be fooled again, then you might want to put me on your ignore list.

    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    No thanks on the demonstrably unworkable tax plan. No thanks on a salad dressing that makes salad taste sort of like chili, either. And no thanks for the Trojan Horse.
    It's far easier to simply say that it would be unworkable than it would be to actually use economics to explain why it would be unworkable to create a market in the public sector.

    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    No thanks on a salad dressing that makes salad taste sort of like chili, either. And no thanks for the Trojan Horse
    Hehe...you don't value my salad dressing, you don't value my Trojan Horse, you don't value my attempt to help people understand economics...therefore you don't want to "buy" anything that I'm selling. It's funny because what I'm "selling" is a system which would give taxpayers the freedom not to "buy" whatever a government organization is trying to sell.

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Xerographica View Post
    It's far easier to simply say that it would be unworkable than it would be to actually use economics to explain why it would be unworkable to create a market in the public sector.
    Did it occur to you that people might have better things to do on Christmas Eve than rehash all the same arguments that we used to express our doubts about this plan in several other threads?

    What am I saying? Of course it did. Which is why you waited until today, and started a brand new thread.

    Merry Christmas, Mr. X. And just to prove I mean it, I won't negrep you.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Did it occur to you that people might have better things to do on Christmas Eve than rehash all the same arguments that we used to express our doubts about this plan in several other threads?

    What am I saying? Of course it did. Which is why you waited until today, and started a brand new thread.

    Merry Christmas, Mr. X. And just to prove I mean it, I won't negrep you.
    He started it yesterday

    And yeah... I don't like lemony olive oil as a dressing.
    Genuine, willful, aggressive ignorance is the one sure way to tick me off. I wish I could say you were trolling. I know better, and it's just sad.

  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Did it occur to you that people might have better things to do on Christmas Eve than rehash all the same arguments that we used to express our doubts about this plan in several other threads?
    Did it occur to you that I'm the guy who created the Wikipedia entry for demonstrated preference?

    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Merry Christmas, Mr. X. And just to prove I mean it, I won't negrep you.
    LOL...my rep is red. So why would you think that I care about negrep?

    What I care about is helping people understand market economics. If you think I'm failing in this area...then please specify exactly where there's room for improvement. But better yet...don't just tell me...SHOW me where you've had good success in helping people understand why market economies are far superior to non sequitur economies.

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