Abraham Lincoln's National Bank

[klamath]

Lincoln might not have been fighting to stop slavery but the south sure AS HELL WASN't fighting for the right of people to leave a union and were fighting to perserve slavery.

[jmdrake]

"Yet another pointless civil war thread"

What does this National Bank thread have to do with the Civil War?

Ummmm.....this post definitely has something to do with the civil war.

For the Southern Confederacy it was definitely about slavery. Read what the Southern states declare in their own secession statements. They claim to secede from the Union in order to "preserve the blessings of African slavery." Lincoln believed he only had the Constitutional authority to end slavery in Washington D.C. and he did free the slaves in D.C. in 1862. These are their words... not mine.

Anyway, yall are having fun. Carry on.

[jmdrake]

Lincoln might not have been fighting to stop slavery but the south sure AS HELL WASN't fighting for the right of people to leave a union and were fighting to perserve slavery.

True dat. Both sides sucked. And these arguments that people feel so passionately about do nothing IMO to advance the cause of liberty. Seriously talking about 9/11 being an inside job makes more sense. The Patriot Act and these wars can directly be traced to 9/11. I can't fathom anyone who truly understands the depth of the deception on 9/11 supporting the wars and the Patriot Act and the NDAA. But I meet people all the time on both sides of the civil war / pro - anti Lincoln / (and pro - anti MLK for that matter) divide who support the wars and the Patriot Act and the NDAA. That said, yall are having so much fun. No need for me to spoil it.

[Travlyr]

Ummmm.....this post definitely has something to do with the civil war.



Anyway, yall are having fun. Carry on.

But jmdrake. I strongly believe that I have the right to defend myself at all times. The intention of the OP was to share what Lincoln said about National Banks. When "itshappening" introduced the Civil War issue into the thread, should I have just ignored his nonsense? What would you have done?

[Travlyr]

It could be that Clay influenced Marx, and both Marx and Clay influenced Lincoln.

A timeline with Henry Clay's speech added (Marx was 14, Lincoln was 23):

- Lincoln born: February 12, 1809
- Marx born: May 5, 1818
- Henry Clay's American System Speech: 1832
- Marx publishes a book about Emancipation: 1843
- Marx expelled from France as a radical: 1845
- Lincoln elected to US House: 1846
- Marx publishes the Communist Manifesto: February 1848
- Marx is a contributor to the New York Tribune (Lincoln's favorite newspaper), 1851-1861
- Lincoln enters the U.S. Senate: 1858
- Lincoln becomes US President: 1860
- Civil War Starts: 1861
- Emancipation Proclamation: January 1, 1863

Some interesting history about the Whigs, Clay, Marx and Lincoln:

This is the most interesting and knowledgeable response in this thread. Now, I have study to do, and I will respond after I do my research. While it is not a big deal in the timeline ... Lincoln did not enter the Senate in 1858.

[jmdrake]

But jmdrake. I strongly believe that I have the right to defend myself at all times. The intention of the OP was to share what Lincoln said about National Banks. When "itshappening" introduced the Civil War issue into the thread, should I have just ignored his nonsense? What would you have done?

Hey, I ain't mad bro! As long as you're having fun it's all good. That said, if I post a thread with the words "Abraham Lincoln" in the title I wouldn't have to be psychic to know where it's headed, especially on this forum.

[Travlyr]

Hey, I ain't mad bro! As long as you're having fun it's all good. That said, if I post a thread with the words "Abraham Lincoln" in the title I wouldn't have to be psychic to know where it's headed, especially on this forum.

LOL... okay. But the truth be known... Abraham Lincoln was a peaceful man. Unfortunately, he was elected president in early November 1860, and the Southern leaders knew he was man of principle who would honor his word. He had to wait nearly four months after being elected to swear the oath of office. The South seceded. The Civil War was started before he even got to Washington. So you are right, anything with Lincoln's name in the title is about the Civil War even though Lincoln never wanted to fight anyone. His National Bank idea, prior to the Civil War, was an audited National Bank in order to promote commerce through consistent currency. If anyone doubts his intentions, then please read the OP and respond.

[Brian4Liberty]

This is the most interesting and knowledgeable response in this thread. Now, I have study to do, and I will respond after I do my research. While it is not a big deal in the timeline ... Lincoln did not enter the Senate in 1858.

You are correct. My bad. Threw that timeline together too fast. In 1858 he won the GOP nod for US Senate in Illinois, but had to face Douglas, and lost.

(Edit: Corrected the timeline.)

[Brian4Liberty]

This is the most interesting and knowledgeable response in this thread. Now, I have study to do, and I will respond after I do my research. While it is not a big deal in the timeline ... Lincoln did not enter the Senate in 1858.

Also, you may want to check out the following thread about Lincoln and Marxism. I am pretty new to the entire Lincoln debate, and only started studying it this month. Thank Steven Spielberg for that, as several people had asked me about the Lincoln movie, which required some research on my part before giving any answers. The Marx connection was a rabbit hole that I followed, and found very interesting, mostly due to it's 1984-style erasure from history.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...coln-a-Marxist

[heavenlyboy34]

LOL... okay. But the truth be known... Abraham Lincoln was a peaceful man. Unfortunately, he was elected president in early November 1860, and the Southern leaders knew he was man of principle who would honor his word. He had to wait nearly four months after being elected to swear the oath of office. The South seceded. The Civil War was started before he even got to Washington. So you are right, anything with Lincoln's name in the title is about the Civil War even though Lincoln never wanted to fight anyone. His National Bank idea, prior to the Civil War, was an audited National Bank in order to promote commerce through consistent currency. If anyone doubts his intentions, then please read the OP and respond.

A lot of people claim to know what was in historical figures' heads like this, including Lincoln and various southern and northern folks. Query: how do you know what these people were thinking? This sort of tactic is typical of hagiographers, not serious historians.