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    Default Breaking News! North Korea successfully launches satellite into space! and us as targets!

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...078592218.html

    North Korea Claims Success in Rocket Launch
    U.S. Confirms Object Reached Orbit; Pyongyang's Effort Is Seen as Provocation and Advancement of Missile Program

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    A member of the Japan Self-Defence Forces runs toward a Patriot Advanced Capability-3 missiles unit in Ishigaki on Japan's southern island of Ishigaki Island, Okinawa prefecture, Wednesday, Dec. 12.

    SEOUL—North Korea launched a multistage rocket Wednesday that appeared to travel the entire distance of a projected course and put an object into orbit, making it the most successful of the country's five attempts at testing long-range missile technology.

    The rocket took off shortly before 10 a.m. local time, flew south over the Yellow Sea, East China Sea and the Philippines, according to Japanese military authorities who tracked it closely because of the potential threat it posed to its Okinawa prefecture.

    North Korea issued a brief statement saying the rocket successfully launched a satellite into space. Other countries saw the launch as a cover for a test of long-range missile technology. The U.S. military confirmed the trajectory of what it called a missile and said, "Initial indications are that the missile deployed an object that appeared to achieve orbit." A senior U.S. official also said late Tuesday that the North Korean missile appeared to successfully launch what could be a satellite into orbit.

    Financial markets in Asia showed little initial reaction to the launch.


    North Korea conducts its second rocket launch of the year in an apparent step forward in its push to develop long-range missile capabilities. The WSJ's Evan Ramstad explains the ramifications of a successful launch. Photo: AP

    U.S. officials have been closing monitoring Pyongyang's preparations in recent weeks worried about the national-security and diplomatic implications.

    "North Korea's launch today—using ballistic missile technology despite express prohibitions by United Nations Security Council resolutions—is a highly provocative act that threatens regional security," National Security Council Spokesman Tommy Vietor said in a statement late Tuesday.

    China, North Korea's political ally, expressed "regret" over the launch, called on Pyongyang to abide by United Nations restrictions and urged calm over the situation on the Korean Peninsula.

    North Korea "has the right to make peaceful use of space, but this right is also subject to the restrictions of relevant U.N. Security Council resolutions," China Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said in a daily press briefing.

    North Korea has attempted four such launches previously. Each failed to reach space but it claimed success in three of the attempts. In its last attempt, in April, North Korea's rocket crashed 80 seconds after takeoff into the Yellow Sea west of South Korea.

    Wednesday's apparent lengthy flight appeared to represent a step forward in North Korea's missile program and would likely be welcomed by potential buyers of the North's missiles. Outside military analysts believe Iran, which has purchased North Korean missile technology in the past, sent representatives to North Korea to watch the launch.

    North Korea is believed to have amassed enough fissile material for as many as a dozen nuclear weapons. And a successful launch could allow North Korea to threaten American allies in Asia, particularly South Korea and Japan, and, potentially the U.S. itself.

    The North has also developed a sophisticated arms trade, supplying American adversaries such as Iran and Syria. The U.S. and its allies have intercepted North Korean shipments of missile components to Tehran, Damascus and Myanmar in recent months. And Washington worries Pyongyang could eventually export its more sophisticated weaponry.

    "I would think proliferation would be more of an immediate threat," said Bruce Bechtol, a former U.S. military intelligence analyst who now teaches at Angelo State University. "If this was successful, the Iranians will no doubt buy several of these and they could launch it a number of ways, including a cover of a satellite launch themselves."

    About an hour after the launch, South Korean defense officials said they were in the process of confirming the success or failure of the flight. South Korea tracked the rocket via three Aegis ships it deployed for the purpose, a military spokesman said. He added that no unusual movements had been spotted in the North Korean military, which the South monitors via satellites.

    "Our government strongly condemns North Korea pushing ahead with this provocation in disregard of repeated warnings and demands from the international community that the launch be called off. North Korea will take grave responsibility for this," South Korean Foreign Minister Kim Sung-hwan said.

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    After detecting the launch, the Japanese government immediately put in motion a carefully rehearsed game plan, alerting ministries and local governments using a special network and the top government spokesman holding a news conference within 30 minutes of the firing.

    The swift reaction was in stark contrast to when Pyongyang last launched a ballistic missile in April, when the Japanese government came under fire for taking nearly an hour to confirm the launch.

    Calling the launch "threatening to the peace and stability of the region," Chief Cabinet Secretary Osamu Fujimura said the launch, which violates the U.N. resolution, is "extremely regrettable and can't be tolerated."

    The missile flew over some small islands in Japan's southern Okinawa prefecture, west of the main Okinawa island that is home to Japanese and U.S. military bases. But the Japanese government said it did not order its military to shoot down any possible debris from the object.

    Mr. Fujimura said all three stages of the North Korean rocket fell within foreseen areas.

    Japanese Defense Minister Satoshi Morimoto said the government hadn't been able to confirm any "relevant" projectiles in space following the launch, but that it was working with the U.S. on analyses that could take some time.

    Mr. Morimoto said that if Wednesday's rocket was the same type that failed in April, it would be a sign of technological improvement in North Korea.

    "We will have to say that in general, the technology involved in the missile and launch has been improving if today's rocket was indeed the same model as the one used in the previous launch," he said.

    In announcing this launch, North Korea said its scientists learned from mistakes made during the April one. However, analysts believed North Korea's authoritarian regime was attempting to complete the launch by the end of 2012, the centennial of the birth of the country's founder Kim Il Sung, grandfather of the current leader Kim Jong Eun.

    The launch happened on the third day of a launch window that initially was set to run from Dec. 10 to 22. On Monday, North Korea extended the launch window to Dec. 29, citing technical difficulties. That led to speculation in South Korea and elsewhere that the launch wouldn't occur until next week at the earliest.

    —Carlos Tejada in Beijing, Alexander Martin, Toko Sekiguchi and George Nishiyama in Tokyo, and Jay Solomon and Julian E. Barnes in Washington contributed to this article.
    Write to Evan Ramstad at evan.ramstad@wsj.com

    A version of this article appeared December 12, 2012, on page A14 in the U.S. edition of The Wall Street Journal, with the headline: North Korea Claims Success in Rocket Launch.
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    It's not good at all. North Korea is posing a larger and larger threat by the day and there's not too much we can do about it.

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    They are a loooooong way from having a viable and accurate ICBM, but still, this is a step in the wrong direction.
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    Another indicator that it time to reset our Foreign Poilcy, into a more realistic approach

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    If we werent so busy bullying the rest of the world, then we wouldnt have to worry much about being targets ourselves. Im afraid thats not the case. Instead we have depleted our resources and created a monster of a problem that we will be unable to desl with.

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    Quick! We have to give them more food and money before they try again!!!
    Let's move forward to the Constitution.. I am the new GOP. I stand with Rand.

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    Meh,, who doesn't have Satellites these days?

    Or missiles for that matter. Get out of the way and let the Koreans work t out or fight for it.
    It would have been done and over with 60 years ago without all the meddling.
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    Funny how North Korea is supposed to be some cartoon villain that wants to attack us for no reason other than being evil - yet in the very same article, it's admitted that the US is waging economic warfare on them, stealing weapon shipments. I wonder if the US would be belligerent about it if North Korea "intercepted" weapon shipments headed for Israel.

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    Let me know when a foreign nation becomes more of a threat to my freedom, safety, and wealth than my own government. Until then, this is all just distraction.
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    They just now did some that the rest of the world has been able to do for almost 60 years... oh no.

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    Honestly, i think it's a pretty awesome accomplishment shooting something up into orbit & tracking it & getting info from it.

    Good for N Korea.

    Let Jimmy Carter speak to them if some are too worried about going to war w/ em.

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    So China and Russia both of whom have thousands of nukes can launch a missile into space and we're not worried but OH NOES North Korea can do it and the US government is shitting bricks? I think it's more war mongering. Of course they also tie this to Iran because EVERYTHING has to do with IRAN these days.

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    boo....scared yet?...................lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by twomp View Post
    So China and Russia both of whom have thousands of nukes can launch a missile into space and we're not worried but OH NOES North Korea can do it and the US government is shitting bricks? I think it's more war mongering. Of course they also tie this to Iran because EVERYTHING has to do with IRAN these days.
    Well Scientists from Iran went to North Korea to watch the successful launch.

    I am afraid this is going to be true:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jingles View Post
    They just now did some that the rest of the world has been able to do for almost 60 years... oh no.
    Except that NK is indeed an authoritarian state, and these are offensive weapons. That is disturbing, especially if they are pointed at us. Our government needs to exercise diplomacy with their government to prevent any sort of nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Except that NK is indeed an authoritarian state, and these are offensive weapons. That is disturbing, especially if they are pointed at us. Our government needs to exercise diplomacy with their government to prevent any sort of nonsense.
    Collins, if you read this two articles, it explains that North Korea has the capability and resolve to inflict enormous damage towards South Korea and maybe Hawaii + Alaska.

    http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute...les/pub771.pdf
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    Other countries saw the launch as a cover for a test of long-range missile technology.
    Guilty conscience much?
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    to set brush fires in peoples minds! Revolution is Action upon Revelation!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeHampshire View Post
    It's not good at all. North Korea is posing a larger and larger threat by the day and there's not too much we can do about it.
    North Korea a threat? Are you kidding? They might be a minor threat to South Korea, but they are no threat to the USA in any way. China, Russia, and India are potential threats, but even they aren't the USA's number one threat even combined. The number one threat facing the USA is Israel. Not because of their military, but because of their nuclear arsenal and their willingness to do whatever is required to get the USA to do its bidding.

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    From Drudge:


    The object that North Korea sent into space on Wednesday appears to be “tumbling out of control” as it orbits the earth, U.S. officials told NBC News.

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    North Korea isn't much of a threat lol... unless you count that out of control satellite a threat since it could land anywhere
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    I hate to bust Kimmy's bubble but, I found this video on youtube. Maybe if their crappy little 3rd world country had internet, they'd have seen the video and maybe could have saved themselves a lot of money on an already obsolete missile program.

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    Missile defense technology has come a long way. Not meaning to start a debate on Israel here, but you have to respect this sort of technology:



    Easier to see at night:



    What pisses me off is that we could have some really awesome stuff if we'd stop spending so much money on other countries and instead focused on further enhancing our own defense (and I mean actual *defense*) technology.
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    He added that no unusual movements had been spotted in the North Korean military, which the South monitors via satellites.
    SK has sats?

    South Korea Postpones Satellite Launch Oct. 26, 2012
    http://www.nti.org/gsn/article/south...rocket-launch/

    Timeline of first orbital launches by country
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timelin...hes_by_country

    Failed launches
    South Korea first attempted the launch of its STSAT-2 satellite to be delivered by the Russo-South Korean Naro (KSLV-1) launch vehicle from their own Naro spaceport on 25 August 2009. One of the payload fairings did not separate causing STSAT-2 not to reach Earth orbit. The second launch also failed within 137 seconds when it lost contact with ground control on June 10, 2010[3]

    Future projects
    South Korea will continue its space program including two series of space launchers

    I didn't think so...

    I wonder who's sats they are using...

    Lawmakers rebuke S. Korean defense chief over intelligence capability
    http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/nati...16600315F.HTML

    Asked why Kim did not take any action to fix the reports he saw inaccurate, the minister said it is a "protocol" not to disclose information jointly acquired by intelligence assets, such as from satellites, to media.

    That looks like ours...


    Quote Originally Posted by Bruno View Post
    From Drudge:


    The object that North Korea sent into space on Wednesday appears to be “tumbling out of control” as it orbits the earth, U.S. officials told NBC News.
    Air Force sends mystery X-37B mini-shuttle back to space (Update 2)

    http://phys.org/news/2012-12-air-mys...tle-space.html

    December 11, 2012 <== the timing, the timing...




    The military isn't saying much if anything about this new secret mission known as OTV-3, or Orbital Test Vehicle, flight No. 3. In fact, launch commentary ended 17 minutes into the flight and a news blackout followed. But one scientific observer, Jonathan McDowell of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, speculates the spaceplane is carrying sensors designed for spying and likely is serving as a testbed for future satellites. He dismisses rumors of "exotic ideas" for the X-37B as weaponry or shadowing a Chinese satellite. While acknowledging he does not know what the spaceplane is carrying, McDowell said on-board sensors could be capable of imaging or intercepting transmissions of electronic emissions from terrorist training sites in Afghanistan or other hot spots. "All the sorts of things that spy satellites generally do," he said.

    ...

    The two previous secret X-37B flights were in 200-plus-(300-plus)-mile-high orbits, circling at roughly 40-degree angles to the equator, as calculated by amateur satellite trackers. That means the craft flew over the swatch between 40 degrees or so north latitude and 40 degrees or so south latitude.

    North Korea, Coordinates
    40.2012° N, 127.2565° E

    First comment... (posted Dec 11th)

    What are the chances this shuttle was also designed to covertly take out foreign satellites, if need be?




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    EMP Nightmare: How Iran or North Korea Could Destroy America with a Single Bomb



    EMP Attack : What Happen's if America gets Hit ?



    Forget the media spin about NK being able to nuke Japan or SK. If you can get something into orbit, it can just sit there for years and then black out any technology dependent area, anywhere on earth.

    Missile defense shields will not help you defend against this kind of attack.

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    Regulations do not regulate ... they protect the status quo.
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    The result is war, poverty, fear, chaos, and hopelessness for most people with abundance for a few elite.
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    I say its time to bomb Pyongyang!
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    nothing is going to get better. It's not." - Dr. Seuss, from The Lorax

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    http://www.n2yo.com/satellite/?s=39026

    KWANGMYONGSONG 3
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    NORAD ID: 39026
    Int'l Code: 2012-072A
    Perigee: 505.3 km
    Apogee: 588.3 km
    Inclination: 97.4 °
    Period: 95.4 minutes
    Semi major axis: 6917 km
    Launch date: December 12, 2012
    Source: North Korea (NKOR)
    Comments: KWANGMYONGSONG 3 is a North Korean Earth observation satellite, which according to the DPRK is designed for weather forecast purposes, and whose launch is widely portrayed in the West to be a veiled ballistic missile test.

    (click through for map)

    Two Line Element Set (TLE):

    1 39026U 12072A 12348.13998536 .00132868 00000-0 79618-2 0 86
    2 39026 097.4079 037.0445 0060014 166.9718 193.2822 15.08861468 172

    Source: AFSPC

    NASA's NSSDC Master Catalog entry for KWANGMYONGSONG 3
    http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/database/...g?sc=2012-072A

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    http://www.n2yo.com/satellite/?s=39025

    OTV 3 (USA 240)


    NORAD ID: 39025
    Int'l Code: 2012-071A
    Launch date: December 11, 2012
    Source: United States (US)

    (Click through for map)

    Two Line Element Set (TLE):



    Source:

    NASA's NSSDC Master Catalog entry for OTV 3 (USA 240)
    http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/database/...g?sc=2012-071A

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    http://www.spacetoday.net/

    Atlas launches X-37B on third mission
    Posted: Wed, Dec 12 6:09 AM ET (1109 GMT)

    An Atlas V successfully launched on Tuesday a classified military spaceplane. The Atlas 5 501 lifted off from Cape Canaveral, Florida, at 1:03 pm EST (1803 GMT) carrying an X-37B on the Orbital Test Vehicle 3 (OTV-3) mission. The launch, which took place despite forecasts that called for only a 30 percent chance of acceptable weather at launch time, was declared a success by the Air Force, although it released few other details about the mission. The launch is the seconde for this particular X-37B, which first flew in space on the OTV-1 mission in 2010. The Air Force has not disclosed the missions of any of the three X-37B missions, leading to speculation that the vehicles are performing roles range from technology demonstration to reconnaissance.

    ^^^^^^^^ hmmmm...



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    http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n1212/12northkorea/

    "North American Aerospace Defense Command officials acknowledged today that U.S. missile warning systems detected and tracked the launch of a North Korean missile at 7:49 p.m. EST (0049 GMT; 9:49 a.m. local time Wednesday)," said a statement released by NORAD, a military command which tracks air and space traffic.

    NORAD said it tracked the missile on a southerly azimuth. The 100-foot-tall rocket blasted off from the Sohae Satellite Launching Station, a remote facility northwest of Pyongyang and about 35 miles from the Chinese border city of Dandong.

    "Initial indications are that the first stage fell into the Yellow Sea," NORAD said. "The second stage was assessed to fall into the Philippine Sea. Initial indications are that the missile deployed an object that appeared to achieve orbit. At no time was the missile or the resultant debris a threat to North America."

    North Korea's state news organization said the Kwangmyongsong 3 satellite entered its "preset" orbit following launch.
    ...
    U.S. military assets tracked three objects in orbit from Wednesday's launch. The items are likely the Kwangmyongsong 3 satellite, the Unha booster's third stage, and a payload attach fitting, according to Jonathan McDowell, an astrophysicist at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics and an expert who tracks space activities.

    According to McDowell, one of the objects was in an orbit between 307 miles and 365 miles above Earth, with an inclination of 97.4 degrees.
    ...
    Wednesday's satellite launch carried a second version of the Kwangmyongsong 3 satellite, which North Korea says is outfitted with communications gear. Amateur satellite trackers are listening for radio signals from the North Korean spacecraft.

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    USSTRATCOM statement on PRNK launch
    http://www.satobs.org/seesat/Dec-2012/0097.html

    USSTRATCOM statement on N-Korea launch:

    http://www.norad.mil/News/2012/121112b.html

    Indeed says an object reached active orbit:

    ****

    NORAD and USNORTHCOM Public Affairs
    December 11, 2012

    PETERSON AIR FORCE BASE, Colo. - North American Aerospace Defense Command
    officials acknowledged today that U.S. missile warning systems detected and
    tracked the launch of a North Korean missile at 7:49 p.m. EST. The missile was
    tracked on a southerly azimuth. Initial indications are that the first stage
    fell into the Yellow Sea. The second stage was assessed to fall into the
    Philippine Sea. Initial indications are that the missile deployed an object that
    appeared to achieve orbit. At no time was the missile or the resultant debris a
    threat to North America.

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    RE: X-37B OTV 3 elements
    http://www.satobs.org/seesat/Dec-2012/0117.html

    Greg Roberts has reported new observations, made more than 24 h after his initial ones:

    http://satobs.org/seesat/Dec-2012/0116.html

    Here are updated elements:

    OTV 3 344 X 360 km
    1 39025U 12071A 12347.75067673 .00007083 00000-0 50000-4 0 08
    2 39025 43.4961 131.6234 0012090 326.6599 33.3515 15.73007644 07
    Arc 20121211.78-1212.8 WRMS resid 0.014 totl 0.007 xtrk

    The rate of decay is a guess, but this TLE should be fairly accurate, until it manoeuvres.

    Ted Molczan

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    Note that there is NO conformation that the NK sat is unstable and wobbling.

    ^^^^ This is what happens when tangents get bored...

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    Our military is not defense ... it is warmongering and empire building.
    Government police do not protect ... they control.
    Regulations do not regulate ... they protect the status quo.
    Government banks do not distribute money based on effort ... it is gifted to close friends ... and some of it trickles down.

    The result is war, poverty, fear, chaos, and hopelessness for most people with abundance for a few elite.
    -Travlyr

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    Bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb Pyongyang....

    North Korean Style!

    "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot,
    nothing is going to get better. It's not." - Dr. Seuss, from The Lorax

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