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Thread: Nelson Mandela 'Proven' To Be Communist Party Member, After Decades of Denial

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    The vast majority of us here couldn't fathom the amount of tyranny, prejudice and persecution this man and his countrymen have had to endure. Communistic ideals were those ideals which finally could get them free from the evils of discrimination and the shackles of slavery. We may not agree communism is the best political ideology and certainly not the ideal way to come to freedom and individual liberty, but it can be, it can be a step towards it when what it is leaving is a far more tyrannical ideology. More significantly, it happened to be the only way which finally worked for them, as imperfect as it was.
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    After finding out that Lincoln was a proto-Marxist, nothing is shocking anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sparebulb View Post
    A few years back, there was a hot thread here on this forum where several alleged free-market, libertarian-leaning Ron Paul supporters here defended Mandela as being the greatest of all human beings. It was a sad testimonial to the power of public school and university education.
    Can you substantiate this and include evidence that the posters were, in fact, "free-market, libertarian"? Yes, I cropped your quote since being a little bit libertarian is like being a little bit pregnant. Don't forget to find the money quotes: "greatest of all human beings".

  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Communism isn't dead, it just changed names. It's now called communitarianism.
    or egalitarianism.

  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Tpoints View Post
    Did I get that right? Genocide is worse than communism?
    Communist/Socialist countries usually get in the business of Genocide: Mao Ze-Dong, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Kim Il Sung, etc...
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankRep View Post
    Communist/Socialist countries usually get in the business of Genocide: Mao Ze-Dong, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Kim Il Sung, etc...
    That's not my question. Is genocide better or worse than communism? Or does it depend on something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tpoints View Post
    That's not my question. Is genocide better or worse than communism? Or does it depend on something?
    That's a trick question. Communist/Socialist countries usually get in the business of Genocide: Mao Ze-Dong, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Kim Il Sung, etc...

    You might want to read the article and stop playing word games.

    South Africa Facing White Genocide, Total Communist Takeover


    The early phases of genocide against white farmers are possibly underway with much worse yet to come in largely communist-controlled South Africa.
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    How is this relevant? Or important?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Free Hornet View Post
    Can you substantiate this and include evidence that the posters were, in fact, "free-market, libertarian"? Yes, I cropped your quote since being a little bit libertarian is like being a little bit pregnant. Don't forget to find the money quotes: "greatest of all human beings".
    Thanks for showing up. It's not worth my time to play games with you, but my carefully chosen words have flushed out those that prove my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankRep View Post
    That's a trick question. Communist/Socialist countries usually get in the business of Genocide: Mao Ze-Dong, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Kim Il Sung, etc...

    You might want to read the article and stop playing word games.

    South Africa Facing White Genocide, Total Communist Takeover


    The early phases of genocide against white farmers are possibly underway with much worse yet to come in largely communist-controlled South Africa.
    No, it's not a trick question.

    Since you say the USUALLY get into the geno biz, what if they don't? Is a country that is commie but no geno better or worse than a country that goes geno but not commie? Or is there something that determines it, do you know?

    Why can't you just admit either they are equally bad or you don't know?
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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by amy31416 View Post
    Both.

    I spent a year in SA under apartheid, I know what I'm talking about--it was hell for the black people and it degrades morality. Leave people alone and respect their sovereignty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AGRP View Post
    I like to live in the present. It just seems idiotic to cry about cold war style communism complete with hammer and sickle when present day genocides are fueled by zionism.
    Those who forget history are condemned to repeat it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tpoints View Post
    That's not my question. Is genocide better or worse than communism? Or does it depend on something?
    Idiotic question. They both are horrible.
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    Genocide is okay when *we* do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by idiom View Post
    Genocide is okay when *we* do it.
    To be more accurate: it's ok for the Republicans when Bush does it, it's ok for the Democrats when Obama does it.

    I was on a cruse a few years ago and one of the servers was a black dude from South Africa, I told him that they made a mistake with Mandela because he was a communist and he just gave me a look like he wanted to cut my head off...
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Did they "enslave" them, Amy, or did they offer employment?
    If the Chinese invaded America, destroyed our social order, built factories and offered us "jobs" but undermined any efforts we made to be self sufficient, what would you call that?
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  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by daviddee View Post
    I have many friends who are South Africans who would dispute your comments... especially the use of the word hell.

    Sadly, they all left once the odds of being raped went to 1:20, flamethrowers on the cars, and their spouses needed to insert razorblade lined diaphragms.

    I believe my last statement is a closer definition to hell.
    Of course they would. I have a couple white friends I stayed in touch with as well, and they agree with your friends. Under apartheid, it was hellish for blacks. Without apartheid it's hellish for whites.

    Should the white people keep the native blacks as their servants by force? Is that moral? Or is it moral for them to leave them alone and stay off their land?

    (Though I do think that your "razorblades in the vagina" thing is a bit of hyperbole.)
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  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by idiom View Post
    When you replace a tyranny with a republic are you still a communist?
    I don't know but not sure how that relates to Mandela.
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  23. #49
    I've never really had an opinion of Mandela as I still am uninformed of the regional history to this day, after reading this though I definitely a negative view of mandela.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daviddee View Post
    .....and their spouses needed to insert razorblade lined diaphragms.
    That sounds like the perfect way to increase the chances of getting the AIDS.

  25. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    If the Chinese invaded America, destroyed our social order, built factories and offered us "jobs" but undermined any efforts we made to be self sufficient, what would you call that?
    What social order was in South Africa?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    What social order was in South Africa?
    Not sure if serious. Research pre colonial South Africa if you are serious.

    Edit: Here's a place to start if you're being serious. http://www.sahistory.org.za/early-hi...ial-history-sa
    Last edited by jmdrake; 12-11-2012 at 11:06 AM.
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  27. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by Athan View Post
    I've never really had an opinion of Mandela as I still am uninformed of the regional history to this day, after reading this though I definitely a negative view of mandela.
    Nelson Mandela is so evil that when his term ended he became dictator for life and......oh wait a minute, that was just about every other post colonial president in Africa. Nevermind.
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    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
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    And how is this in the least bit relevant?

    OOOh,, the Red Scare.. (where in a bunch of Socialists (or fascists) point fingers at "communists")

    I am no more in favor of Communism than I am Socialism. I see very little difference in practice.
    And the Sad Fact is,, the US has been a socialist country for 100 years,, along with the rest of the world.

    Another reality is that there has never been a communist country,, and there never will be.
    It is contrary to human nature and will never exist outside of philosophical writings.

    So again,, how is this relevant?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Another reality is that there has never been a communist country,, and there never will be.
    It is contrary to human nature and will never exist outside of philosophical writings.
    On the small scale, it has worked for short periods of time in kibbutzim, communes and cults. Of course those experiments all fail over time. But there's a sucker born every minute...
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  30. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    And how is this in the least bit relevant?

    OOOh,, the Red Scare.. (where in a bunch of Socialists (or fascists) point fingers at "communists")

    I am no more in favor of Communism than I am Socialism. I see very little difference in practice.
    And the Sad Fact is,, the US has been a socialist country for 100 years,, along with the rest of the world.

    Another reality is that there has never been a communist country,, and there never will be.
    It is contrary to human nature and will never exist outside of philosophical writings.

    So again,, how is this relevant?
    So, when you were growing up, you saw absolutely no difference between the U.S. and the USSR or Red China? Seriously?
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    I read it Drake and I am open to reading more. I certainly am no expert on the subject. Maybe it will cause me to change my current opinion on the subject. Because I haven't been so adamantly against some of the colonialists. That is, if they brought development, sanitization, electricity, food and jobs to areas of undeveloped countries that had none and if the people could choose whether to work for them or not.
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    So no list of Communist laws passed by the South African government while Mandela was the head?

  34. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    So no list of Communist laws passed by the South African government while Mandela was the head?
    ^Thread winner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  35. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    I read it Drake and I am open to reading more. I certainly am no expert on the subject. Maybe it will cause me to change my current opinion on the subject. Because I haven't been so adamantly against some of the colonialists. That is, if they brought development, sanitization, electricity, food and jobs to areas of undeveloped countries that had none and if the people could choose whether to work for them or not.
    They wouldn't have had to use force and oppression if they showed up on the shores and offered them something good or desired. It's also social engineering to the nth degree--and we all know how well that usually turns out.
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