Secret Service demands ebay remove all Norfed Liberty dollars as counterfeits

[oyarde]

Secret Service , what a bunch of douches, only fake money I see are FRN's.

[oyarde]

The Secret Service was originally created with the sole purpose of tracking down currency counterfeiters:

http://www.secretservice.gov/faq.shtml#faq1



While I disagree wholeheartedly with the government's take on the Liberty Dollar, the "counterfeiting" charge is what the Feds used to go in and stomp NorFed.

Yes , that was when money was real , or backed by something.No more , they are just douche detail now.

[KCIndy]

Secret Service , what a bunch of douches, only fake money I see are FRN's.

Exactly why Geitner needs to be arrested by the Secret Service.... as if that will happen. Yeah.

[Carson]

I would imagine that now they are worth more than ever to collectors.

They are pretty cool looking. You've got your Ron Paul's and a slew of others. Beats collecting a lot of the other stuff that is being passed off as money.

Here's a Google picture search:

https://www.google.com/search?q=Norfed+Liberty+dollars&hl=en&client=firef ox-beta&hs=oPY&tbo=d&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&channel=rcs&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=e DTFUPypNI7vigKRi4HIBw&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAA&biw=1067&bih =693


Here is one with tiny writing around it:

http://www.google.com/imgres?start=154&hl=en&client=firefox-beta&hs=SSY&sa=X&tbo=d&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&channel=rcs&tbm=isch&tbnid=BBjs6rGQzomW6M: &imgrefurl=http://users.dishmail.net/libertydollarcatalog/other.htm&docid=iIsmFYWn9I7etM&imgurl=http://users.dishmail.net/libertydollarcatalog/Other/50motto.jpg&w=800&h=600&ei=HDXFUIHOEKWViAK15YHwDA& zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=556&sig=106697610401816964278&p age=7&tbnh=152&tbnw=194&ndsp=33&ved=1t:429,r:83,s: 100,i:253&tx=105&ty=75&biw=1067&bih=693


Wiki;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Dollar

[Dr.3D]

I would imagine that now they are worth more than ever to collectors.

They are pretty cool looking. You've got your Ron Paul's and a slew of others. Beats collecting a lot of the other stuff that is being passed off as money.

Here's a Google picture search:

https://www.google.com/search?q=Norfed+Liberty+dollars&hl=en&client=firef ox-beta&hs=oPY&tbo=d&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&channel=rcs&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=e DTFUPypNI7vigKRi4HIBw&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAA&biw=1067&bih =693


Here is one with tiny writing around it:

http://www.google.com/imgres?start=154&hl=en&client=firefox-beta&hs=SSY&sa=X&tbo=d&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&channel=rcs&tbm=isch&tbnid=BBjs6rGQzomW6M: &imgrefurl=http://users.dishmail.net/libertydollarcatalog/other.htm&docid=iIsmFYWn9I7etM&imgurl=http://users.dishmail.net/libertydollarcatalog/Other/50motto.jpg&w=800&h=600&ei=HDXFUIHOEKWViAK15YHwDA& zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=556&sig=106697610401816964278&p age=7&tbnh=152&tbnw=194&ndsp=33&ved=1t:429,r:83,s: 100,i:253&tx=105&ty=75&biw=1067&bih=693


Wiki;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Dollar

I can't see from that how any of those could be confused for the United States currency they claim is being counterfeited. The warehouse receipts are so far from looking like anything used as money, it's just crazy to say they are counterfeit anything. The only reason those receipts are now bogus is that the government stole their backing from the mint.

[KCIndy]

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This is getting ridiculous.

So now it is illegal to sell something that the government considers counterfeit?

Seems anything related to NORFED is being taken off of Ebay.

If you have any of these items, you had better hide them carefully.
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Hmm... this is getting more interesting. I did some digging, and as near as I can tell, there's no Federal law against possessing - or even selling - a counterfeit as long as the counterfeit is NOT being represented as the real thing.

Granted, I'm not a lawyer. Not even close. But the key seems to be the phrase "intent to deceive."

Here's a link to the section of the U.S. code that pertains to counterfeiting:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/te...t-I/chapter-25

Funny thing is, it looks like it is easier for the Feds to bust someone who is minting coins rather than printing paper notes. Here's the section I'm guessing they used against Bernard von NotHaus:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/486
Whoever, except as authorized by law, makes or utters or passes, or attempts to utter or pass, any coins of gold or silver or other metal, or alloys of metals, intended for use as current money, whether in the resemblance of coins of the United States or of foreign countries, or of original design, shall be fined under this title [1] or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

[sgt150]

If ideas like these caught on, the counterfeiters would lose all of their power so they gotta be clamped down upon. No surprise here. Has Von NotHaus been sentenced to federal prison yet?

[Dr.3D]

If ideas like these caught on, the counterfeiters would lose all of their power so they gotta be clamped down upon. No surprise here. Has Von NotHaus been sentenced to federal prison yet?

October 2012

So, here we stand, waiting for Judge Voorhees to take action and hope for the best. As of October 18, it has been nineteen months since my conviction. WOW, in a few more months, I could be back in court on the second anniversary of my conviction. Whenever, I hope some of you might join me.

http://www.libertydollarnews.org/pom...ings[]=245

Looks like he is still waiting for sentencing.


Here is a link to all of the email that was sent out to his supporters.
http://www.libertydollarnews.org/pom...r/mailings.php

[KCIndy]

Has Von NotHaus been sentenced to federal prison yet?

I don't think so. Here's an interesting article from the New York Times giving a rundown of the case. I still can't see how the jury could have convicted him.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/25/us...pagewanted=all

[KCIndy]

Hmm. As near as I can tell, the sentencing date hasn't been set yet. Which is a bit odd since his conviction was back in March '11. Maybe is defense is holding up the process with appeals?