A plead to Danke and others in the know.

[Deborah K]

No argument there, save your implication that social collapse is inevitable. This is NOT the same as economic collapse or that of government. Social collapse is Lord Of The Fucking Flies and woe be unto us if we let it go that far. In that case, if you have any sense about you, you will save at least one bullet for everyone you love because mere survival = mere existence.

Osan, please give me some hope then. Give me some examples where social collapse didn't follow economic collapse.

[Danke]

Osan, please give me some hope then. Give me some examples where social collapse didn't follow economic collapse.

Things were tough in Argentina, but was it "social collapse?"

[osan]

Osan, please give me some hope then. Give me some examples where social collapse didn't follow economic collapse.

Great depression. That was certainly an economic collapse, yet people were not out murdering each other and eating the remains. There are all manner of examples. Post WWII Germany retained most of its cultural civility.

I grant that it is POSSIBLE, and perhaps even likely, given what I see in terms of common thought and perspective these days, but please do yourself a favor and refrain from assuming the apocalypse is upon us. Be prepared, but also be kind not only to yourself but to those around you. There is a BIG difference between realistic preparedness with a willful bent to optimism and despair. Were I do despair of all this, I would eat my 357 right now before even finishing this line of text. Not ready for that and you, being a bright, right-minded, and good looking young woman should neither be ready to accept this until it is right upon us. Until then, if you believe in God or what have you, believe that there is something better on the horizon for those of us who keep the faith in what we know to be the good. The worst that happens with this is we are all consumed anyway and in that case perhaps there was nothing any of us could do about it. Until then, recognize the possibilities for shit but by no means give in to them. It is difficult and I have my days as some of my posts reflect where I am at some precipice, looking down, and wondering what the hell is the use. But I always pull away from this and return to "light", as it were. Do the same. My wife's grandchildren depend on us. My daughters depend on me. If I show them the face of despair, what am I giving them?

Life is good, even when it sucks. Never forget that. It is always better than surrender. Regardless of circumstance I maintain the samurai's attitude. I stand tall, unafraid, and keep my middle finger standing proudly in the faces of my unworthy adversaries. Fuck them all, every last one and to their last breaths.

Try this one for size: https://www.facebook.com/patrick.the...9?notif_t=like

[dancjm]

This is kind of a good question, but the answer may not be what you want to hear.

The answer is that if you believe that you have a moral right, obligation even, not to pay your taxes, the you should act in that spirit. But you will also have to be prepared to go to jail, because that is likely what will happen.

The only answer is to have the courage to stand up for what you believe in, no matter the consequences.

This is the art of civil disobedience/peaceful non-compliance, and in so far as it has ever achieved anything at all, it has been through self sacrifice.

The real question becomes, where do I get the courage to stand up for what I believe in, no matter the consequences?

And on that note it's back over to you dude.

[Deborah K]

Osan, I'm not in despair. I've never said that I believe the apocolypse is upon us. I think you may be reading too much into what I wrote. I live my life in the moment, while I learn from the past, and prepare for the future.

There are many examples of social collapse following an economic collapse, and I think it's foolish for anyone to dismiss it outright. Although I don't have a crystal ball, and can't predict exactly what that means for our country, it probably means martial law, and internment camps for those who get caught up in it. I won't be one of those, because I won't be in any immediate need. My brood will be flying under the radar. I expect that, at first, the gov't will try to step in and restore order. In fact, anyone who wants a job in the Army as an internment camp resettlement specialist, here ya go: http://www.goarmy.com/careers-and-jo...pecialist.html

And yes, I believe in God the Father, so I know life doesn't end in death. But we are warned in the Bible that we will never know exactly when Christ will return, and so we must be ready for anything at anytime. Preparation has taught me to live more closely, and in union with nature. So, I have no regrets about anything I'm doing. The valuable skills I've learned, I am passing on to my grandchildren.

[jj-]

Things were tough in Argentina, but was it "social collapse?"

This guy is not only a great comedian. He brings up events from history relevant to his informal conversations.

[jj-]

I do think either social collapse or structural political changes will come with the economic collapse. But it's also likely that in some states these things will be barely felt.

[John F Kennedy III]

You can defund the government by refusing to use their currency. Use Bitcoin or some other currency.

+rep

There's a town called Burkshire in western Massachusetts that uses their own currency. Burkshire Bucks. It's fiat, but at least it's local.

[Schifference]

How about forming "Free City Projects" Take over cities. Let city go defunct. Form new entity pay little or no property taxes. Previous defunct city defaults on all obligations including pensions. New entity not liable for the incorporated cities debts or obligations. All these cities also decide to pay no state or fed income taxes.

[Czolgosz]

How about forming "Free City Projects" Take over cities. Let city go defunct. Form new entity pay little or property taxes. Preious defunct city defaults on all obligations including pensions. New entity not liable for the incorporated cities debts or obligations. All these cities also decide to pay no state or fed income taxes.

Yep, City secession. Like.