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    I love those "unfunded liability" numbers. They assume that you can take all the benefits people have qualified for (like say somebody who has been working for 30 years and has "x" amount of credits earned towards Social Security earned but is not retired and collecting them- they multiply that by his remaining life expectancy and that becomes his "unfunded liability") and have to pay for all 70 or however many years with just taxes collected this year. At $3 trillion a year currently being spent, it would take us 100 years to spend that alleged $300 trillion.
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    http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articl...lly.aspx#page1

    Shadow Banking System Grows to $67 Trillion Globally
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    By STAFF, Reuters
    November 19, 2012

    The shadow banking system - blamed for aggravating the financial crisis - grew to a new high of $67 trillion globally last year, a top regulatory group said, calling for tighter control of the sector.
    A report by the Financial Stability Board (FSB) on Sunday appeared to confirm fears among policymakers that the so-called shadow banking system of non-bank intermediaries continues to harbour risks to the financial system.
    The FSB, a task force from the world's top 20 economies, also called for greater control of shadow banking, a corner of the financial universe made up of entities such as money market funds that has so far escaped the web of rules that is tightening around traditional banks.


    "The FSB is of the view that the authorities' approach to shadow banking has to be a targeted one," the group wrote in a report, noting the current lax regulation of the sector.
    "The objective is to ensure that shadow banking is subject to appropriate oversight and regulation to address bank-like risks to financial stability," it said.
    Officials at the European Commission in Brussels also see closer oversight of the sector as important in preventing a repeat of the financial crisis that has toppled banks over the past five years and rocked the euro zone.
    The European Commission is expected to propose EU-wide rules for shadow banking next year.
    The United States is already rolling out a framework of new rules for the $2.5 trillion money market industry, which pools money from investors to put in low-risk financial assets that resemble deposits in a bank.
    During the crisis, heavy exposure to collapsed investment bank Lehman Brothers caused the net asset value of one fund - the Reserve Primary Fund - to drop below $1 per share, breaking an implicit promise of a guaranteed minimum value.
    Unlike banks, such funds are not backed up by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, and critics say a sudden depositor flight from the sector could have equally devastating consequences as a traditional run on a bank.
    The Financial Stability Oversight Council (FSOC) - a new body of regulators including the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) and the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) - said last week it would not limit itself to money market funds.

    It said that "regulated and unregulated or less-regulated cash management products may pose risks that are similar to those posed by money market funds" and that it would address any risks arising in those areas.

    AMERICA HAS LARGEST SYSTEM
    The FSB has signaled a two-pronged approach to regulating shadow banking, with tough rules such as possible capital charges and limits on the size and nature of a mainstream bank's exposure to shadow banks.
    Other shadow banking activities which are seen as less systemically risky could face greater transparency requirements.
    Critics of this regulatory drive say that the definition the FSB uses to describe shadow banks is intentionally vague, allowing them to probe and potentially regulate corners of the financial universe that are seen as harmless.
    The FSB said shadow banking around the world more than doubled to $62 trillion in the five years to 2007, and had grown to $67 trillion in 2011 - more than the total economic output of all the countries in the study.
    America had the largest shadow banking system, said the FSB, with assets of $23 trillion in 2011, followed by the euro area with $22 trillion and the United Kingdom at $9 trillion.
    The U.S. share of the global shadow banking system has declined in recent years, the FSB said, while the shares of the United Kingdom and the euro area have increased.
    The FSB advocated better controls, but cautioned at the same time that the sector can also be a source of much-needed credit for business and consumers.
    "Non-bank creditors that smell, feel, and sound like banks but aren't in name are clearly the problem; while non-bank creditors that do not, and are not linked to the banking system, surely offer us a welcome reduced dependence on banks," said Pete Han from the Cass Business School in London.
    Forms of shadow banking can include securitization, a method to transform bank loans into a tradeable instrument that can then be used to refinance credit, making it easier to lend.
    In the run-up to the crisis, however, banks such as Germany's IKB stored billions of euros of such instruments in off-balance sheet vehicles, which later unraveled.
    Another example is a repurchasing agreement, or repo, where a player such as a hedge fund or a blue chip company sells securities to a bank, agreeing to repurchase them later.
    The bank may then lend those bonds onto another hedge fund, taking a position on the government debt. Such agreements are used by banks to lend and borrow. A risk could arise if one of the parties in the chain collapses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KrokHead View Post
    I know the world didn't end and there isn't an international police state at this point, but when it comes to loss of rights, hyper-inflation, and the decrease of standard of living, in reality it is hard to notice and that's why the people (aka "sheeple") never get mad. But think about the last 12 years starting with the end of the dot.com bubble...

    Recession started in 2000 during Bill Clinton's last year, (revisionists claim everything was peaches and cream under William "Bomb some country when I fuck someone" Clinton but the decline in the stock market was quite visible after 1999) but recovery was supposed to be around the corner especially when a "Republican" was elected into office.

    Then in 2001, things got slightly worse, then 9-11 happened which gave an explanation that 'things will get worse in the future but we'll get Bin Laden by Christmas and the market will start to recover in six months,' but instead things got slightly worse and there was no recovery.

    Think about the progressions of the mid-2000s, everything sucked except that your home increased in value and now when you get bankrupt you still owe the credit card companies so layaway went away and everyone had a full deck of plastic. Now in 2006, all the phoney baloney mortgages started to fail suddenly housing prices have been steeply declining ever since. (Which is cool if you want to buy a home honestly.)

    Now starting around in the late 2000s it was impossible for college students to get decent jobs, after I graduated I worked at Dunkin Donuts. A lot of other people were laid off or lost their jobs with no new jobs to replace those jobs. Retirement funds evaporates so much less people could retire. Gas goes to around 4.50 a gallon, the deflation "crisis" swiftly hit (though I know deflation is in theory bad it was fuckin' sweet paying $1.60 for a gallon of gas and $2.40 for a gallon of milk! Economics be damned I loved the buying power!), and now even banks go on welfare.

    Now today, somehow student debt even exceeds credit card debt, and still no young people are getting decent jobs. A president who all intents and purposes grew the country into a sicker economic state gets re-elected, and the tea-party gets high-jacked by the Neo-Cons. Though the good news is "deficit reduction" (not "balanced budget" ) is something at least that has proven more popular than in the past. (Though reducing a 4 trillion dollar deficit to a 3 trillion dollar deficit is not an accomplishment, it's like going from 3 packs to two packs of Newports.)

    My bad humor aside, if all that took place in one year, it would fulfill all the extreme fantasies and predictions of Schiff, Jones, Glenn Bleccck, and our favorite right-wing pundits but it didn't. I didn't even touch on civil liberties in that story. Now, is twelve years really that long of a time? We wouldn't imagine our lives being the way they are now in 1999. It's not Weimar Republic Germany, but this is really bad. It's like we're all those Krokodil addicts watching ourselves die, doing nothing about it except talking about injecting less "Krok" because we're running out of good veins to put in the needle.

    /end rant
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    I love those "unfunded liability" numbers. They assume that you can take all the benefits people have qualified for (like say somebody who has been working for 30 years and has "x" amount of credits earned towards Social Security earned but is not retired and collecting them- they multiply that by his remaining life expectancy and that becomes his "unfunded liability") and have to pay for all 70 or however many years with just taxes collected this year. At $3 trillion a year currently being spent, it would take us 100 years to spend that alleged $300 trillion.
    An article by Gary North

    "The unfunded liabilities of the U.S. government grew in one year by $11 trillion. So says Prof. Lawrence Kotlikoff of Boston University. He is using figures provided by the Congressional Budget Office.

    He makes a good point. Republicans and Democrats in Congress a year ago could not figure ways to cut $210 billion a year for a decade. Meanwhile, the real debt grew by $11 trillion.

    The fiscal gap is the present value difference between projected future spending and revenue. It captures all government liabilities, whether they are official obligations to service Treasury bonds or unofficial commitments, such as paying for food stamps or buying drones.

    Understand, this is the present value of the gap. It’s not that, over the next 75 years, there will be $11 trillion more debt. It is that the present value of the entire gap is $11 trillion. We need $11 trillion today, invested in high-return capital in the private sector, to meet future obligations."




    http://teapartyeconomist.com/2012/08...t-in-one-year/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    I love those "unfunded liability" numbers. They assume that you can take all the benefits people have qualified for (like say somebody who has been working for 30 years and has "x" amount of credits earned towards Social Security earned but is not retired and collecting them- they multiply that by his remaining life expectancy and that becomes his "unfunded liability") and have to pay for all 70 or however many years with just taxes collected this year. At $3 trillion a year currently being spent, it would take us 100 years to spend that alleged $300 trillion.
    I think the CBOs been fudging the numbers too... but in their favor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    I love those "unfunded liability" numbers. They assume that you can take all the benefits people have qualified for (like say somebody who has been working for 30 years and has "x" amount of credits earned towards Social Security earned but is not retired and collecting them- they multiply that by his remaining life expectancy and that becomes his "unfunded liability") and have to pay for all 70 or however many years with just taxes collected this year. At $3 trillion a year currently being spent, it would take us 100 years to spend that alleged $300 trillion.
    I rely on the former Comptroller's number of $70 - 100 trillion needed NOW to fund the obligations of SS and medicare into the future. But I think the cost of health care is going to increase so fast under Obamacare that the existing system will be dead and replaced by a Canadian-style system within ten years. And that will change the equation substantially.
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    [QUOTE=Acala;4760080]I rely on the former Comptroller's number of $70 - 100 trillion needed NOW to fund the obligations of SS and medicare into the future. But I think the cost of health care is going to increase so fast under Obamacare that the existing system will be dead and replaced by a Canadian-style system within ten years. And that will change the equation substantially.[/QUOTE]

    Along with the general life expectancy of the population.

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    The fact that the establishment wants to regulate it makes me think it is probably a GOOD thing they are trying to reign in.
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