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    US Considers Directly Arming Syrian Rebels

    Post-Election, Obama More Willing to Intervene

    by Jason Ditz, November 28, 2012




    In July, Syrian rebel lobbyists reported that the Obama Administration had told them they would not be able to intervene in a serious way until after the November election. The vote’s over and now the meddling can begin in earnest.

    That’s the message from US officials tonight, who say the president is now considering several options for deeper intervention into the ever worsening civil war, including the possibility of directly arming certain rebel factions.

    Up until now the US has just been playing the role of facilitator, with the CIA smuggling other nations’ arms into Syria for them through various intermediaries. Officials say no decision has been made yet on whether or not to move directly into arms supplying.

    If the decision is made, it will make the question of which factions to arm all the more difficult, as the US at present maintains at least a level of deniability in its current smuggling. With various groups vying to be the Western-friendly “umbrella,” and myriad secular and Islamist factions on the ground, it will be an uphill battle for the US to convince the world it isn’t arming terrorists.

    http://news.antiwar.com/2012/11/28/u...syrian-rebels/

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    Who should the US give money and arms to?

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    Just as was the case with Iraqi Kurdistan during the war in Iraq, the Kurdish region in Syria is that country’s most stable region. Unlike with the Iraqi Kurds, however, the White House and State Department have turned a blind eye toward Syrian Kurdistan. When the State Department first assembled Syrian opposition figures to meet with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Kurds were not among them. Kurds are also underrepresented in the State Department’s more recent efforts to reconfigure the Syrian opposition.

    The State Department’s reticence to work with Syrian Kurds has less to do with Syria and much more to do with Turkey. Here’s the problem: Most Syrian Kurds – up to 90 percent according to Kurds in Germany and Iraq – support the Democratic Union Party, better known by its Kurdish acronym, the PYD. The PYD is an offshoot of the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK), a group which has waged a decades-long insurgency in Turkey. The State Department has for more than two decades designated the PKK as a terrorist group. Initially, it did so for good reason: The PKK not only fought a military insurgency, but it also targeted civilians – school teachers, fellow Kurds who sought to provide an alternative to Abdullah Öcalan, and farmers who would not pay taxes to the group.
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    For American policymakers, however, the issue should not be Turkey: Rather it should be first U.S. national interest and second Syria. Today, the PYD controls not only territory in Syria, but also administers towns and local government. It does a good job, too. School function, utilities work, and security has increased. Furthermore, the PYD seems so far to stay true to its democratic rhetoric. Here, it lays in sharp juxtaposition to Masoud Barzani’s increasingly authoritarian Kurdistan Democratic Party (KDP) in neighboring Iraq. Hence, it should not surprise that Syrian Kurds have redoubled their embrace of the PYD and turn their backs to Barzani, his party, and his tribe.

    It is no secret that the longer the United States and its allies have remained on the sidelines of the Syria conflict, the more radical the Syrian opposition has become. The problem with “leading from behind,” for example, working through Qatar and Saudi Arabia, is that these countries privilege their own agendas, which include supporting elements far more radical than many in the West, let alone in Syria, are comfortable with. When the Muslim Brotherhood becomes the moderate minority, and al Qaeda affiliates become mainstream, the situation is truly bad.

    It is against this backdrop that the U.S. refusal to work with the PYD becomes self-defeating. Whatever territory the PYD controls is space in which al Qaeda cannot operate openly. Turkish diplomats may complain if the United States reaches out to Syrian Kurds, but the Turks should have no standing to call any Kurd a terrorist when they regularly embrace Hamas and Hezbollah. In moments of crisis, it is essential that U.S. policy first and foremost privilege U.S. national security rather than carry water for Ankara. That putting U.S. security first would also advance peace in Syria is simply an added bonus.

    http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn....-syrias-kurds/
    Translation: The Kurds are friendly to Israel, and Turkey has become less friendly to Israel. Send money and arm the Kurds, and piss off the Turks. It will be good for "US National Security".

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    The real question is: what's under the ground below Kurdish-controlled territory? Some kind of hydrocarbons, I'm sure. Syria has been in the plan for years.
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    Russians and Chinese need to help Assad more or make more rhetoric to scare Obama.

    Overall, I fear that Assad is going to lose =|. He may be a bad guy, but I don't want to imagine what power hungry, islamic extremist might get into power under hte guise of being a pseudo-democratically elected president. Let's assume elections are rigged in USA, elections in these countries would surely be even more likely to be rigged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coastie View Post
    The real question is: what's under the ground below Kurdish-controlled territory? Some kind of hydrocarbons, I'm sure. Syria has been in the plan for years.
    We know the oil is pumping in the Kurdistan Region (formerly Northern Iraq).

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    Quite the hypocrisy, eh?

    So when apparently old Egypt, Russia, China and Iran do weapons smuggling, well, it's terrorism/genocide/etc.

    When the US/UK/France/Israel/NATO, assassinates government officials, invade, arms rebels, creating terorrist factions, funneling military grade weapons, destroy cities/nations, and murder innocent civilians... that's prefectly legal, legit, and the failures are just labeled collateral damage all at the taxpayer's expense.

    There are shadow powers far greater controlling our government... to approve/creating of such terror strategies throughout the world. It's obviouis Aleppo, Syria was the work of NATO funneling their gangs with weapons from Turkey.


    I think tonight in Iraq there were bombings, where 42 lost their lives and 100's injured... US liberators of Democracy eh?

    I hear drug production in Afghanistan is up to an all time high compared to before the US invaded the country. How's that happen with like 125K ISAF forces and a slew of mercenaries crawling around the country and drones flying over every sq mile?
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    If the rebels are succesful in overthrowing Assad, the US wants them to be friendly to the US and its allies. If we don't help them, that is less likely. This is the thinking behind arming them. Earlier on I saw an interview with one of the rebel commanders and he was complaining back then about the West (not just US) helping them so they were going to turn to whomever would be willing to aid them- including Islamic extremists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    If the rebels are succesful in overthrowing Assad, the US wants them to be friendly to the US and its allies. If we don't help them, that is less likely. This is the thinking behind arming them. Earlier on I saw an interview with one of the rebel commanders and he was complaining back then about the West (not just US) helping them so they were going to turn to whomever would be willing to aid them- including Islamic extremists.
    So... why should we help them if they MAY turn to islamic extremist in the future anyways if they are willing to accept aid/help from islamic extremist (who wuold want something in return).

    Seems like a bad deal... help us or we turn to al qaida for help!

    Seems like pakistan.. give us money or maybe a nuke might fall into terrorist hands!.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coastie View Post
    The real question is: what's under the ground below Kurdish-controlled territory? Some kind of hydrocarbons, I'm sure. Syria has been in the plan for years.
    http://www.thenational.ae/thenationa...er-after-assad

    Syria's Kurds also sit on most of the country's oil resources.


    Arm the rebels - hu? That sounds like a BRILLIANT plan! Lets do Afghanistan all over again! I'm sure they need some shoulder launched surface to air missiles!

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    Quote Originally Posted by alucard13mmfmj View Post
    Seems like a bad deal... help us or we turn to al qaida for help!
    Uncle Ho was our ally in WWII. He even asked for and got a copy of the Constitution from his OSS contacts to base his new country on. But the US backed the French and took over the war for them (while bringing in oil rigs and raping the country). Uncle Ho, had no choice but to turn to the communists for help. So much for spreading democracy...

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