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    November Car Sales Could Hit Pace Not Seen Since 2008

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...038631488.html

    Some analysts estimate November sales could hit an annualized selling pace of 15.2 million cars and light trucks—the strongest single monthly showing since 2008.

    Next year, U.S. sales are projected to reach between 14.5 million and just over 15 million cars and light trucks, a third consecutive year of growth. U.S. sales this year are projected to hit 14.4 million vehicles.
    The owner of an 11-year-old, six cylinder Ford Explorer that averages about 15 miles on a gallon of gasoline could replace it with a 2013 Explorer that gets up to 23 mpg with a four-cylinder, turbocharged "EcoBoost" model and use the difference to help fund a loan, say car makers.



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    The owner of an 11-year-old, six cylinder Ford Explorer that averages about 15 miles on a gallon of gasoline could replace it with a 2013 Explorer that gets up to 23 mpg with a four-cylinder, turbocharged "EcoBoost" model and use the difference to help fund a loan, say car makers.
    Or the owner of a 18 year old 8 cylinder Ford E-150 that averages about 8 miles on a gallon of gasoline could keep it since it still runs fine, and say "Screw the loan." Oh wait, that's me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Or the owner of a 18 year old 8 cylinder Ford E-150 that averages about 8 miles on a gallon of gasoline could keep it since it still runs fine, and say "Screw the loan." Oh wait, that's me.
    I hear you on that. I'm driving my car until it dies.

    At any rate, if you ever have the time, you should check out all the goodies on new car lots nowadays. Some killer cars out there at very affordable prices with rockin' MPG ratings. The next few years are going to be great for new car shoppers. Ford's got a new 999cc engine it will bring stateside - word is that it can do 50mpg with 123hp using the EcoBoost tech they have.

    I've been going for pleasure recently. Fun to see how the industry is changing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordan View Post
    I hear you on that. I'm driving my car until it dies.

    At any rate, if you ever have the time, you should check out all the goodies on new car lots nowadays. Some killer cars out there at very affordable prices with rockin' MPG ratings. The next few years are going to be great for new car shoppers. Ford's got a new 999cc engine it will bring stateside - word is that it can do 50mpg with 123hp using the EcoBoost tech they have.

    I've been going for pleasure recently. Fun to see how the industry is changing.
    I am not a gadget person. I don't even have a cell phone, and I disconnected my anti-lock brakes as soon as I figured out how. I'd like my next car to be a '70's muscle car, or a 'Vette or something.

    Absolutely no interest in the new cars, especially with the GOP nonsense that seems to be standard now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    I'd like my next car to be a '70's muscle car
    Oh dear lord, why? They don't make them like they used to, and thank God for that.

    Cars now are much safer, they have better fuel economy, and if speed is what you're going for, they can accelerate faster, too -- all with more bells and whistles inside, and a more comfortable ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingNothing View Post
    Oh dear lord, why? They don't make them like they used to, and thank God for that.

    Cars now are much safer, they have better fuel economy, and if speed is what you're going for, they can accelerate faster, too -- all with more bells and whistles inside, and a more comfortable ride.
    And that's why muscle cars continue to drop in value and folks are willing to pay more than list for the new "hot rods"..

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    and I disconnected my anti-lock brakes as soon as I figured out how
    Why...


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    ----According to a recent study from Jato Dynamics, a leading provider of automotive business intelligence, U.S. cars emit 85 percent more carbon dioxide and consume twice as much fuel as European and Japanese cars. The average year-to-date fuel consumption figure for cars, minivans and SUVs in the U.S. market stands at 22.6 mpg, compared with 40.3 mpg in Europe and 40.6 mpg in Japan. Those are staggering differences, and they make us wonder why it will take American automakers until 2020 to reach a mandated average fuel-efficiency rating of 35 mpg, when European and Japanese automakers already do. (That's food for thought, folks.)----


    i picked this from my early post , thats what i mean about getting out of big oil grips.

    take the isuzu which i have had many , gm owned about 50% of the company , they were made in indiana , now no longer in america , they are being sold in europe and now getting close to 50 mpg .

    why not here ?????

    as far as the 240sx i have , changing the timing chain vs a belt , the 240 is rear wheel drive , very easy to change the timing chain.

    i have had over 50 cars/trucks/motorcycles in my life , now when i see a chev super sport or dodge charger ( both of which i have had long ago ) , i see the front wheel drive on the new ones and they will be in the junk yards while the old ones will still be running.

    i will offer a bit of advice to anyone buying a newer car , the timing belts will break , most cars now days have what is called a interference engine , means if the timing belt breaks the engine is distroyed . always buy a car that has a non-interference engine .

    do not be fooled by epa mpg numbers , they are taken at 55mph , at 70-75 mph you will get 20-25% less mpg.
    Last edited by ILUVRP; 11-30-2012 at 07:41 AM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    Why...(would someone disconnect anti lock brakes)
    I did not disconnect mine, but they quit working and I just ignore the dashboard light. For now. Eventually I'll have to get mine fixed to pass state inspection.

    But I find the anti-lock brakes to be a little too intrusive, and they make braking and turning in parking lots in the snow less accurate. They are perhaps more helpful in a "slam on stop" driving in a straight line.

    I'm not wild about air bags either. I drove cars without air bags (and wrecked two of them) but my seatbelts did their job fine and I wasn't injured.

    Congress has mandated too many things on cars, it adds weight and complexity, hurts fuel mileage.
    Last edited by MozoVote; 11-30-2012 at 08:23 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    Why...
    Because they bothered me. A lot. I've been driving for 30+ years, and I know how to pump the brakes. I don't know how NOT to pump the brakes because the brakes are pumping themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordan View Post
    I hear you on that. I'm driving my car until it dies.

    At any rate, if you ever have the time, you should check out all the goodies on new car lots nowadays. Some killer cars out there at very affordable prices with rockin' MPG ratings. The next few years are going to be great for new car shoppers. Ford's got a new 999cc engine it will bring stateside - word is that it can do 50mpg with 123hp using the EcoBoost tech they have.

    I've been going for pleasure recently. Fun to see how the industry is changing.
    It really is. Things are getting better, rapidly. It's amazing how quickly the American manufacturers are starting to catch up to the rest of the world, and it is also amazing that the rest of the world continues to press forward.

    That companies like Kia and especially Mazda are putting out great vehicles at great prices is excellent for the consumer. Toyota still puts out a quality product, as do Honda and Nissan (I love my G37!). Over the past few years, Volkswagon and Volvo have each done impressive things with their automobiles, and Jeep has reinvented its brand with a quality it had previously lacked.

    You just can't beat technology and competition!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordan View Post
    I hear you on that. I'm driving my car until it dies.

    At any rate, if you ever have the time, you should check out all the goodies on new car lots nowadays. Some killer cars out there at very affordable prices with rockin' MPG ratings. The next few years are going to be great for new car shoppers. Ford's got a new 999cc engine it will bring stateside - word is that it can do 50mpg with 123hp using the EcoBoost tech they have.

    I've been going for pleasure recently. Fun to see how the industry is changing.
    Most cars the past 15-20 years are tin can death traps. I'd rather have a 60s-early 70s muscle car with steel frame and body and a motor anybody can work on. If I get in a head on collission with a new car I know which one of us is walking away...probably even driving home still.
    I am the spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John F Kennedy III View Post
    Most cars the past 15-20 years are tin can death traps. I'd rather have a 60s-early 70s muscle car with steel frame and body and a motor anybody can work on. If I get in a head on collission with a new car I know which one of us is walking away...probably even driving home still.
    As much as I would desperatly like to agree with you, I think the highway fatality rates indicate that the crash engineering in new cars is indeed effective.

    But I don't care. I have an aversion to safety.

    Plus - one time, in Florida, I was driving my '74 VW bus, which went from 0 - 60 in about 5 minutes. There was no jack-rabbit starting to that thing, so it took a little bigger-than-most-people-need traffic gap to cross intersections. One day, the guy behind me thought I was going to go, and he rammed into the back of me, from a dead stop.

    His car was barely driveable, while my bumper was only scratched because it was painted. I suggested we not file a report, because he had nothing to gain. He concurred.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John F Kennedy III View Post
    Most cars the past 15-20 years are tin can death traps. I'd rather have a 60s-early 70s muscle car with steel frame and body and a motor anybody can work on. If I get in a head on collission with a new car I know which one of us is walking away...probably even driving home still.
    This is pretty much the opposite of reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John F Kennedy III View Post
    Most cars the past 15-20 years are tin can death traps. I'd rather have a 60s-early 70s muscle car with steel frame and body and a motor anybody can work on. If I get in a head on collission with a new car I know which one of us is walking away...probably even driving home still.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joMK1WZjP7g

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    According to a recent study from Jato Dynamics, a leading provider of automotive business intelligence, U.S. cars emit 85 percent more carbon dioxide and consume twice as much fuel as European and Japanese cars. The average year-to-date fuel consumption figure for cars, minivans and SUVs in the U.S. market stands at 22.6 mpg, compared with 40.3 mpg in Europe and 40.6 mpg in Japan. Those are staggering differences, and they make us wonder why it will take American automakers until 2020 to reach a mandated average fuel-efficiency rating of 35 mpg, when European and Japanese automakers already do. (That's food for thought, folks.)

    why can't america get out of the grip of big oil ?

    as a note i drive a 1997 nissan 240sx ,112k miles , rear wheel drive , timing chain ( not a belt ) , adjustable dist timing ( 60's tech ), 24mpg city 30 mpg at 70 mph , love this car.

    a lot of the new sales could be because of sandy.
    Last edited by ILUVRP; 11-29-2012 at 07:13 AM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ILUVRP View Post
    According to a recent study from Jato Dynamics, a leading provider of automotive business intelligence, U.S. cars emit 85 percent more carbon dioxide and consume twice as much fuel as European and Japanese cars. The average year-to-date fuel consumption figure for cars, minivans and SUVs in the U.S. market stands at 22.6 mpg, compared with 40.3 mpg in Europe and 40.6 mpg in Japan. Those are staggering differences, and they make us wonder why it will take American automakers until 2020 to reach a mandated average fuel-efficiency rating of 35 mpg, when European and Japanese automakers already do. (That's food for thought, folks.)

    why can't america get out of the grip of big oil ?

    as a note i drive a 1997 nissan 240sx ,112k miles , rear wheel drive , timing chain ( not a belt ) , adjustable dist timing ( 60's tech ), 24mpg city 30 mpg at 70 mph , love this car.

    a lot of the new sales could be because of sandy.
    Have you been to Europe? Then think about this: their cars suck. THey're little tiny boxes on wheels. We are a larger people, in a larger country, and we prefer cars with muscle and real horsepower.

    THe government is quashing those cars. Quashing the rights of people to drive what the hell they want, but you're cheering them on because it means you get to feel like you're scoring some big victory against big oil?

    Liberals suck.
    Last edited by angelatc; 11-29-2012 at 09:30 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ILUVRP View Post
    why can't america get out of the grip of big oil ?

    as a note i drive a 1997 nissan 240sx ,112k miles , rear wheel drive , timing chain ( not a belt ) , adjustable dist timing ( 60's tech ), 24mpg city 30 mpg at 70 mph , love this car.
    You answered your own question. You drive a car with low mpg because it is very cheap or whatever reason you love the car. I don't hold it against you, though. You should have the choice to do that if you want.
    Lifetime member of more than 1 national gun organization and the New Hampshire Liberty Alliance. Part of Young Americans for Liberty and Campaign for Liberty. Free State Project participant and multi-year Free Talk Live AMPlifier.

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    Their Ecoboost engine is awesome. Ford's got an amazing lineup of vehicles now. The new Escapes and Explorers, particularly at the highest trim level, are excellent.

    Really, a lot of cars, trucks, and SUVs are great now. Technology rules.

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    Oh goody!

    First home building/buying is going "up"...........Now cars are being built and sold at "2008 levels"...

    I'm sure glad we're living in this thriving economy where everyone is flush and life is grand..

    It'd be interesting to see just how many of these new car purchases were for either government fleets or fleets funded by tax dollars....

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Oh goody!

    First home building/buying is going "up"...........Now cars are being built and sold at "2008 levels"...

    I'm sure glad we're living in this thriving economy where everyone is flush and life is grand..

    It'd be interesting to see just how many of these new car purchases were for either government fleets or fleets funded by tax dollars....
    Someone in this thread mentioned Sandy as a potential cause for this. That point should not be overlooked. A lot of dealerships had to completely restock -- tens of thousands of cars were damaged in the storm.

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    "They don't make 'em anymore" applies to all sorts of antiques but I've never seen it applied to a home..

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    "They don't make 'em anymore" applies to all sorts of antiques but I've never seen it applied to a home..
    Antiques and tradition: nothing more than dead people's baggage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingNothing View Post
    Antiques and tradition: nothing more than dead people's baggage.
    You're right, but they still increase in value even during a recession..



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    Eh, when I grow up, I want a '69 or '70 Chevelle.
    In this world nothing is certain but death and taxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RockEnds View Post
    Eh, when I grow up, I want a '69 or '70 Chevelle.
    Dead peoples outdated inferior gas-guzzling dinosaur for the morning crowd.....


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    I'd love to have a '74 beetle, if I had the money for a second vehicle and knew of one that wasn't rusted out. Great cars, simple to work on, reliable, fun to drive, decent fuel economy, etc.
    "Sorry, fellows, the rebellion is off. We couldn't get a rebellion permit."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tod View Post
    I'd love to have a '74 beetle, if I had the money for a second vehicle and knew of one that wasn't rusted out. Great cars, simple to work on, reliable, fun to drive, decent fuel economy, etc.
    Colder than hell in the winter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Colder than hell in the winter.
    Actually, they were pretty good until the heat ducts in the rocker panels below the doors rusted out, which didn't take long in Ohio. Once they rusted out, there was no heat. What they should've done is run the heat through the center tube, in my opinion.

    I always did all my own maintenance on my bug, from changing the clutch to brakes, oil changes (no filter to buy!). Eventually it died of rust, literally. I drove it until the thing was sagging so badly it was overstressing the steering column. Replaced it with a nearly as simple (no injectors, no computer) S10 and I've been driving pickups almost nonstop since then because for me they are very practical for hauling stuff, which I do on a regular basis, from mulch to lumber to firewood to cement to fence supplies to.....
    "Sorry, fellows, the rebellion is off. We couldn't get a rebellion permit."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tod View Post
    Actually, they were pretty good until the heat ducts in the rocker panels below the doors rusted out, which didn't take long in Ohio. Once they rusted out, there was no heat. What they should've done is run the heat through the center tube, in my opinion.

    I always did all my own maintenance on my bug, from changing the clutch to brakes, oil changes (no filter to buy!). Eventually it died of rust, literally. I drove it until the thing was sagging so badly it was overstressing the steering column. Replaced it with a nearly as simple (no injectors, no computer) S10 and I've been driving pickups almost nonstop since then because for me they are very practical for hauling stuff, which I do on a regular basis, from mulch to lumber to firewood to cement to fence supplies to.....
    Yeah, I had a van, then an Escort, then a van again. I can't imagine going back to a car. I like to haul stuff, tow stuff - and I don't really drive all that much, so the mileage isn't a killer for me.

    I saw a guy that had a sign that said free mulch, and I drove home, stuck my trailer on it, went back and took it. All I could think was that if I had a pick up I could have saved myself a trip.

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