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    Default Congressman Thomas Massie turns down Congressional pension and healthcare program

    Thomas Massie 2012.
    "We have nothing to fear except our own unwillingness to defend what is naturally ours, our God-given rights. We have nothing to fear that should cause us to forget or relinquish our rights as free men and women. To thrive, we must believe in ourselves again, and we must never, never trade our liberty for any fleeting promise of security." - Rand Paul



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    Looks like he is already laying some solid groundwork for a future campaign.

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    *sniff* our boy.
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    Linky to an article or something? Helps with the sharing.
    Theye have refused their Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

    Theye have erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

    Theye kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies

    Theye have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution,

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

    For cutting off our Trade with parts of the world:

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

    Theye plundered and destroyed the lives of our people.

    Theye are at this time transporting Armies of Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy of a civilized nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Linky to an article or something? Helps with the sharing.
    It came from the man himself, so, no.
    "We have nothing to fear except our own unwillingness to defend what is naturally ours, our God-given rights. We have nothing to fear that should cause us to forget or relinquish our rights as free men and women. To thrive, we must believe in ourselves again, and we must never, never trade our liberty for any fleeting promise of security." - Rand Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gage View Post
    It came from the man himself, so, no.
    Sounds like he needs a publicist or press secretary.
    Theye have refused their Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

    Theye have erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

    Theye kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies

    Theye have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution,

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

    For cutting off our Trade with parts of the world:

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

    Theye plundered and destroyed the lives of our people.

    Theye are at this time transporting Armies of Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy of a civilized nation.

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    press release?
    Don't let others get you down. Not naysayers, not pretenders, not appeasers, not opportunists; none of em.

    What others do pales beside what YOU do.

    Press on! - The r3VOLution continues...

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    ~ C.Coolidge

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    he also said he turned down all of the medical benefits.
    "Governor, if I had foreseen the use those people
    designed to make of their victory,
    there would have been no surrender at
    Appomattox Courthouse; no sir, not by me.
    Had I foreseen these results of subjugation,
    I would have preferred to die at Appomattox
    with my brave men, my sword in my right hand." - Robert E. Lee to Governor Fletcher S. Stockdale (D-Texas), 1870


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    Quote Originally Posted by jdmyprez_deo_vindice View Post
    he also said he turned down all of the medical benefits.
    Damn, I was going to as him to claim me as a dependent child (according to Obamacare, people are children until they're 26).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Confederate View Post
    Damn, I was going to as him to claim me as a dependent child (according to Obamacare, people are children until they're 26).
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    Good job Thomas.
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    I think we've got another Mr. No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdmyprez_deo_vindice View Post
    he also said he turned down all of the medical benefits.
    Where did he say this?
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    Did Amash do the same in the past?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smart3 View Post
    Did Amash do the same in the past?
    I directly asked Amash about this and he tapdanced around the question and eventually said he was taking the pension plan and benefits. Oh well, not everyone can be perfect.
    "Governor, if I had foreseen the use those people
    designed to make of their victory,
    there would have been no surrender at
    Appomattox Courthouse; no sir, not by me.
    Had I foreseen these results of subjugation,
    I would have preferred to die at Appomattox
    with my brave men, my sword in my right hand." - Robert E. Lee to Governor Fletcher S. Stockdale (D-Texas), 1870


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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith and stuff View Post
    Where did he say this?
    I talked with him tonight.
    "Governor, if I had foreseen the use those people
    designed to make of their victory,
    there would have been no surrender at
    Appomattox Courthouse; no sir, not by me.
    Had I foreseen these results of subjugation,
    I would have preferred to die at Appomattox
    with my brave men, my sword in my right hand." - Robert E. Lee to Governor Fletcher S. Stockdale (D-Texas), 1870


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    Quote Originally Posted by jdmyprez_deo_vindice View Post
    I talked with him tonight.
    Thank you. It just seemed that people were randomly saying Massie this and Massie that with zero evidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith and stuff View Post
    Thank you. It just seemed that people were randomly saying Massie this and Massie that with zero evidence.
    He made the pledge before the primary.

    http://mycn2.com/politics/massie-use...at-2-opponents

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    Not to rain on the parade, but Thomas isn't hurting for money. It's a nice gesture, but I'd be more impressed if it were someone like Joe Walsh (in debt, past due child support payments) turning down the pension and healthcare program.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdmyprez_deo_vindice View Post
    I directly asked Amash about this and he tapdanced around the question and eventually said he was taking the pension plan and benefits. Oh well, not everyone can be perfect.
    Further proof Massie is the true wielder of the Matrix of Leadership.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Feeding the Abscess View Post
    Not to rain on the parade, but Thomas isn't hurting for money. It's a nice gesture, but I'd be more impressed if it were someone like Joe Walsh (in debt, past due child support payments) turning down the pension and healthcare program.
    I am very impressed with Massie's gesture, but Amash may be thinking more of his family's well-being by accepting those benefits. I would not be too upset with Justin about this; he didn't create the system, and he would vote to overturn it if it came up.

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    Apparently participation is mandatory...

    http://www.lvrj.com/news/heck-seeks-...159510195.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdmyprez_deo_vindice View Post
    I directly asked Amash about this and he tapdanced around the question and eventually said he was taking the pension plan and benefits. Oh well, not everyone can be perfect.
    Members elected to the House after 2003 are not allowed to decline their pensions. Apparently Ron Paul was making them look bad, so they passed a law.

    https://www.congress.gov/108/plaws/p...-108publ83.pdf

    SEC. 104. (a) Section 8401(20) of title 5, United States Code, is amended by striking the semicolon at the end and inserting the following: ‘‘, and who (in the case of an individual who is a Member of the House of Representatives, including a Delegate or Resident Commissioner to the Congress) serves as a Member prior to the date of the enactment of the Legislative Branch Appropriations Act, 2004;’’

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/8401

    (20) the term “Member” has the same meaning as provided in section 2106, except that such term does not include an individual who irrevocably elects, by written notice to the official by whom such individual is paid, not to participate in the Federal Employees’ Retirement System, and who (in the case of an individual who is a Member of the House of Representatives, including a Delegate or Resident Commissioner to the Congress) serves as a Member prior to the date of the enactment of the Legislative Branch Appropriations Act, 2004;






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