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    Quote Originally Posted by Agorism View Post
    Not interested in a "cease fire" means he's not interested in peace...
    Do you honestly think that's fair? What the man said was this.

    Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman insisted Israel isn’t interested in a ceasefire right now because he believes it would only last for a couple of weeks
    In other words, he is saying that Hamas is not interested in peace and would start bombing Israel again in just a couple of weeks.
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    Should the fact that Lieberman is not interested in peace with Islamists or Palestinians be a surprise?
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    I guess I am just tired of so many taking sides in these fights. They have always fought in the Middle East and they always will. And those fights don't always involve Israel.

    We are non-interventionists. To me, that means to mind our own business and to get our own house in order.
    "We do have some differences and our approaches will be different, but that makes him his own person. I mean why should he [Rand] be a clone and do everything and think just exactly as I have. I think it's an opportunity to be independent minded. We are about 99% the same on issues." "People Try To Drive Wedges Between Rand And Me." --Ron Paul

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    Well said LibertyEagle. Libertarianism 101. Let's just worry about cleaning up our own house. Very well said.
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    Okay Palestinians, you must "finally admit defeat and recognize the right of your oppressors to exist and to have done so at your expense, or else." /sarc

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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    To me, that means to mind our own business and to get our own house in order.
    Something about a "plank in the eye"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Number19 View Post
    Why lie? Your semantics is as bad as anything liberals put out to spin politics their way. Lieberman didn't say anything about not being interested in "peace".

    But I do know that Hamas is not interested in peace - going to the extreme of not recognizing Israel's right to exist. This "war" started with the U.N. decision to create the nation of Israel. Now the morality of this decision might be debated, but it is past history. Its creation being an established historical fact, whether rightly or wrongly, Israel has been defending itself since that beginning. Israel has no blame for this ongoing animosity, other than the fact that Israelis accepted the U.N.'s decision to create their nation. Given this opportunity, it is human nature to not refuse such an opportunity; and Israel will not now give up its sovereignty; and has the moral right to protect itself. Middle east war will be an ongoing monstrosity until Israel's existence is accepted by all sides and all sides are willing to sit down together and negotiate an acceptable peace. Hamas is not willing to do this.
    I've done a complete 180 on Israel over the years. I no longer believe anything their government says.

    Let me know when they give the Golan Heights back. Until then, I'm going to believe that this is nothing but another land grab by Israel. Occupation results in terrorism. The Nazis didn't hesitate to quash the Jewish rebellions in the ghettos. The answer, sadly, will be genocide, with the US cheering it on.

    And while it would be nice to be able to ignore all the drama in the Middle East, it isn't possible to pretend the rest of the GOP is doing the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Israel has a right to exist. I take no issue with that.
    I do. Perhaps this is just semantics, but I don't believe Israel has a "right" to exist. Neither does the US or any other goverment. I believe the people in a geographic location have a right to create their own form of government but that doesn't mean the govt entity has any such right as the people still have the right to abolish that which they created.

    And why is Israel the only country you ever hear about this "right to exist"? I can't ever recall hearing that phrase about any other country.
    Last edited by specsaregood; 11-18-2012 at 09:52 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    I do. Perhaps this is just semantics, but I don't believe Israel has a "right" to exist. Neither does the US or any other goverment. I believe the people in a geographic location have a right to create their own form of government but that doesn't mean the govt entity has any such right as the people still have the right to abolish that which they created.

    And why is Israel the only country you ever hear about this "right to exist"? I can't ever recall hearing that phrase about any other country.
    Specs, I see your point and actually agree with what you are saying, but what I am talking about has to do with what I hear so many saying when they say that Israel shouldn't even be there. I don't think it is any of our business whether Israel is there or not.
    "We do have some differences and our approaches will be different, but that makes him his own person. I mean why should he [Rand] be a clone and do everything and think just exactly as I have. I think it's an opportunity to be independent minded. We are about 99% the same on issues." "People Try To Drive Wedges Between Rand And Me." --Ron Paul

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=pB5JgzBVHN0


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