TYT Cenk on Israel offensive

[amy31416]

I definitely don't know as much as should about the Middle East conflicts.

The bolded is obviously wrong. If you win a war, that is your land. If your land gets attacked, you can fight back aggressively.

Most of the borders of the world are drawn up through military conflicts and settlements. You may not accept this as true. You don't need to be a condescending bitch for something that 99.999% of the rest of the world accepts that as true.

International law--it is illegal. Though I will concede that something being illegal doesn't mean it doesn't happen--I do find it quite unethical though.

And you're right, I don't need to be such a condescending bitch sometimes. Sometimes....

[UWDude]

This is 2012, not 1953. Israel won the land. Period. If they get attacked, they have every moral right to hit back as hard as they want.

I'm not even a fan of Israel. But if the Arabs would stop attacking there wouldn't be a problem. Israel isn't the aggressor. Just because their existence is an inconvenience doesn't mean they don't have a right to exist. They should stand up for themselves.

Sweet. remind me of this quote when the great proletariat rises and takes the land from the gentry.
We have Misean's blessing to take land by force.

I disagree. The only right one has to a piece of land is having the power to take and hold it.

OMG, is this the same dude that was giving me grief for not respecting business owners property because I am pro-union?
Do you have any idea how hypocritical it is to say property ownership is only based on the ability to be able to hold it?
LoL
I can't believe the inane justifications people will come up with to defend their neo-knights templars.


Are you two listening to yourselves?

ROTFLMAO!

[Brian4Liberty]

I know it's unpopular here, but I side with Israel in these disputes. That's Israel's land.

Lol.

I definitely don't know as much as should about the Middle East conflicts.

The bolded is obviously wrong. If you win a war, that is your land.

Ah, might makes right. Greed is good. Covet your neighbor's ass, kill your neighbor. All so biblical.

Can't we all just get along?

[Brian4Liberty]

Cenk hits most of the major points. What is blowback, other than revenge? One act leads to the next, ad infinitum.

All that being said, the people firing rockets are a-holes of the highest order. They fire at innocents, hoping for disproportionate retribution that will no doubt effect more innocents, so that they can gain some small measure of a political advantage. And people with this mindset exist on all sides.

[amy31416]

Ah, might makes right. Greed is good. Covet your neighbor's ass, kill your neighbor. All so biblical.

Can't we all just get along?

Remember how Ron Paul was booed for bringing up the Golden Rule? Shit--that may have been some of our own people doing that.

**sigh**

[Brian4Liberty]

Remember how Ron Paul was booed for bringing up the Golden Rule? Shit--that may have been some of our own people doing that.

**sigh**

Agree, double sigh.

[amy31416]

Cenk hits most of the major points. What is blowback, other than revenge? One act leads to the next, ad infinitum.

All that being said, the people firing rockets are a-holes of the highest order. They fire at innocents, hoping for disproportionate retribution that will no doubt effect more innocents, so that they can gain some small measure of a political advantage. And people with this mindset exist on all sides.

All I can say in regards to this is that it's virtually impossible for them to aim rockets at military targets--doesn't make it right. Obviously. Now, more than ever--they need to take the high ground and go for an all-out media campaign to expose Israeli crimes (and the IDF DOES target innocent people, with regularity) and keep pushing for UN recognition (even though I think the UN sucks.) I just don't see any other way out of this mess for them.

No more rockets. Get the help of "organizations" like Anonymous, groups well-versed with successful peaceful resistance, try to make their homes resistant to mortar shelling and tell their stories--and plaster it all over the internet. Put the story of their children, wives, husbands and grandparents out there--saturate the market with it.

The unfortunate part is that so many are shellshocked by what Israel has done that they shut that part of their lives out.

[SewrRatt]

Cenk hits most of the major points. What is blowback, other than revenge? One act leads to the next, ad infinitum.

All that being said, the people firing rockets are a-holes of the highest order. They fire at innocents, hoping for disproportionate retribution that will no doubt effect more innocents, so that they can gain some small measure of a political advantage. And people with this mindset exist on all sides.

People in Gaza don't have the technology to launch targeted rockets. They don't fire "at" anything in particular, other than Israeli-occupied land. They don't care about collateral damage, and that's abhorrent. Israel and the US don't care about collateral damage either, they just happen to have technology that can be targeted. They still manage to kill innocent people all the time.

[Brian4Liberty]

People in Gaza don't have the technology to launch targeted rockets. They don't fire "at" anything in particular, other than Israeli-occupied land. They don't care about collateral damage, and that's abhorrent. Israel and the US don't care about collateral damage either, they just happen to have technology that can be targeted. They still manage to kill innocent people all the time.

Agree, there is very little difference between targeted and non-targeted when innocents end up getting killed either way.

[Brian4Liberty]

All I can say in regards to this is that it's virtually impossible for them to aim rockets at military targets--doesn't make it right. Obviously. Now, more than ever--they need to take the high ground and go for an all-out media campaign to expose Israeli crimes (and the IDF DOES target innocent people, with regularity) and keep pushing for UN recognition (even though I think the UN sucks.) I just don't see any other way out of this mess for them.

No more rockets. Get the help of "organizations" like Anonymous, groups well-versed with successful peaceful resistance, try to make their homes resistant to mortar shelling and tell their stories--and plaster it all over the internet. Put the story of their children, wives, husbands and grandparents out there--saturate the market with it.

The unfortunate part is that so many are shellshocked by what Israel has done that they shut that part of their lives out.

Agree.

And the people who fire rockets don't give a damn what happens.