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    You know, for the people who says Islamic countries cannot have democracy and free markets, I would say the example of Turkey rebuffs the arguments. Turkey has a strong secular government with a population of muslims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanilluxe View Post
    You know, for the people who says Islamic countries cannot have democracy and free markets, I would say the example of Turkey rebuffs the arguments. Turkey has a strong secular government with a population of muslims.
    Who wants a democracy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanilluxe View Post
    You know, for the people who says Islamic countries cannot have democracy and free markets, I would say the example of Turkey rebuffs the arguments. Turkey has a strong secular government with a population of muslims.
    are they a free market? How do they treat Kurds, and how are they treated when they enter places like Germany?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tpoints View Post
    are they a free market? How do they treat Kurds, and how are they treated when they enter places like Germany?
    Yes, they are a free market, they have have a larger economy than Australia or Canada. They treat kurds fine and Kurds terorist not fine. They are the western Japan. Turkish-German relationship has been strong since the Ottoman and German empires were allies in WWI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanilluxe View Post
    Yes, they are a free market, they have have a larger economy than Australia or Canada. They treat kurds fine and Kurds terorist not fine. They are the western Japan. Turkish-German relationship has been strong since the Ottoman and German empires were allies in WWI.
    That whole area was trade routes and produce,, Free trade was the norm.. Empires restricted trade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    That whole area was trade routes and produce,, Free trade was the norm.. Empires restricted trade.
    The German and Ottoman Empires are long gone nearly a century ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanilluxe View Post
    You know, for the people who says Islamic countries cannot have democracy and free markets, I would say the example of Turkey rebuffs the arguments. Turkey has a strong secular government with a population of muslims.
    A soon to be extint secular government as muslims have taken control of government.

    Islamic countries are those that are ruled by government where Islam is the official religion, not countries with a large muslim population..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanilluxe View Post
    The German and Ottoman Empires are long gone nearly a century ago.
    So?

    British Empire held Palestine and made a deal with the Rothschild Empire.

    My statement stands,, Empires restrict trade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tsetsefly View Post
    A soon to be extint secular government as muslims have taken control of government.

    Islamic countries are those that are ruled by government where Islam is the official religion, not countries with a large muslim population..
    Muslims were always in the government of Turkey, and the constitution made by Mustafa Kemal Ataturk pushes religion out of government. Turkey is also an observer and soon to be part of the European Union.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    When I was in Germany, my friend's child got all big-eyed when she saw a black person. My friend said there weren't many blacks in Germany, since the Nazi's. I had no idea! So I started reading, and found all the groups you listed, plus others (Jehovah's Witnesses come to mind) were also victims of the holocaust.

    I pointed that out to an evangelical once, ad was accused of lying. Because I am anti-semitic.

    It was unreal - like the fact that the Jews weren't the only persecuted group was somehow offensive to the Jews.

    I still don't get it.
    In concentration camps, Jews got yellow six pointed stars, Homosexuals got pink triangles.
    There were a variety of other colors and shapes too for all the other "deviants".
    Now you know where the pink triangle came from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanilluxe View Post
    The German and Ottoman Empires are long gone nearly a century ago.
    You need to learn the difference between a map and the terrain it represents. In this specific case you need to train yourself to recognize Empire even where the term is absent from the title. The USA is by all means an Empire despite "Empire" not being part of the official name. Analysis 001. This is your free lesson for today and you are welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    When I was in Germany, my friend's child got all big-eyed when she saw a black person. My friend said there weren't many blacks in Germany, since the Nazi's. I had no idea! So I started reading, and found all the groups you listed, plus others (Jehovah's Witnesses come to mind) were also victims of the holocaust.

    I pointed that out to an evangelical once, ad was accused of lying. Because I am anti-semitic.

    It was unreal - like the fact that the Jews weren't the only persecuted group was somehow offensive to the Jews.

    I still don't get it.
    Each time I come here, I learn I've lived a sheltered life! I didn't know that it's not common knowledge that many other groups were sent to the camps.

    When I was in Germany, we were stationed at the post at Wildflecken, a former Displaced Persons camp. Poles were the primary residents. We initially stayed at the gasthaus on post, so to kill some time I went to the library and checked out a book on the place. I have not seen it since, but it was an excellent read. It primary deals with the Poles at Wildflecken, but it gets into the larger picture including finding a place in the world for these various groups of dislocated people. I found it very informative.

    http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6...the-wild-place
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