Gaza under attack by Israel

[LibertyEagle]

RT Special Interview with Ron Paul:

http://rt.com/politics/interview-wit...ul-2008-11-27/

Seriously though, Danno, that doesn't change the fact that RT IS owned and run by the Russian government. They do have an agenda, just like our own media, so we need to not just blindly accept whatever they say.

[Expatriate]

I haven't really done enough research to know if the Iran thing is true or not, but if Iran is arming the Palestinians, is there a reason they would only give them crappy unguided rockets with a high trajectory that are easily shot down by the existing defenses? Surely Iran is capable of making something more effective, like a cheap guided cruise missile. They wouldn't need to smuggle nearly as many in that case, and it would have far more effect.

And what about miniature surface-to-air missile launchers like the Stingers we gave to the Afghans so they could attack Soviet aircraft in Afghanistan? Seems like that would be far easier to smuggle in than huge unguided rockets, and infinitely more useful to the Palestinians in their current situation.

If Iran is actually doing this, is there some reason why they would take the risk of bringing destruction on themselves by sneaking weapons into Gaza, only to give them something totally ineffective?

[angelatc]

i don't believe the human shield story. May as well say Israel does the same thing.

Israel absolutely does the same thing, in that they use Palestinian children as human shields.

[angelatc]

Well, it's from The Blaze. Take it for what it's worth.



Iranian Arms Ship Bound for Gaza Reportedly Carrying Long-Range Rockets Able to Reach Tel Aviv, Jerusalem

http ://www.theblaze.com/stories/iranian-arms-ship-bound-for-gaza-found-carrying-long-rage-rockets-able-to-reach-tel-aviv-jerusalem/

Half the media says this isn't true. Based on the American's history of making up WMD and yellow cake operations, I'm inclined to call bullshit.

[RockEnds]

Half the media says this isn't true. Based on the American's history of making up WMD and yellow cake operations, I'm inclined to call bullshit.

I can't imagine it's true, either.

It's being reported that a cease fire will commence at 2200 Zulu. Crossing my fingers.

http://rt.com/news/israel-gaza-ceasefire-egypt-177/

[Todd]

Incorrect

http://antiwar.com/blog/2012/11/11/i...ho-started-it/

Good find. Thank God for Wikileaks

The rocket fire did indeed occur immediately before the assault, but it was in response to Israel’s breaking of the six-month cease-fire, which even Israeli officials in WikiLeaks cables admitted Hamas had kept to.

[ApathyCured]

I'm trying to find it but a few in this thread have said that the "jews" in Israel are not true jewish people. can someone explain that?
Are you sayingthere are no real ethnic Jews left or that they just dont live in Israel?

[furface]

I'm trying to find it but a few in this thread have said that the "jews" in Israel are not true jewish people. can someone explain that?
Are you sayingthere are no real ethnic Jews left or that they just dont live in Israel?

I'm not sure what other people said, but I mentioned this book.

http://inventionofthejewishpeople.com/

Shlomo Sand’s claim is that there has historically never been a such thing as a Jewish "nation." Judaism, he claims, is a religion and shouldn't be viewed as something that merits a state of its own. In that respect probably most immigrants to Israel aren't practicing Jews and are merely linked to Judaism via some sort of vague genetics.

There are also claims that lots of Russian immigrants in particular aren't Jewish. They just claim it to get out of Russia and move to Israel with lots of perks.

For instance here's something talking about it.

http://www.thejerusalemconnection.us...wish-jews.html

[amy31416]

I haven't really done enough research to know if the Iran thing is true or not, but if Iran is arming the Palestinians, is there a reason they would only give them crappy unguided rockets with a high trajectory that are easily shot down by the existing defenses? Surely Iran is capable of making something more effective, like a cheap guided cruise missile. They wouldn't need to smuggle nearly as many in that case, and it would have far more effect.

And what about miniature surface-to-air missile launchers like the Stingers we gave to the Afghans so they could attack Soviet aircraft in Afghanistan? Seems like that would be far easier to smuggle in than huge unguided rockets, and infinitely more useful to the Palestinians in their current situation.

If Iran is actually doing this, is there some reason why they would take the risk of bringing destruction on themselves by sneaking weapons into Gaza, only to give them something totally ineffective?

It doesn't make sense at all. The only possible reason (that I can think of) Iran might given them crappy rockets, rather than cruise missiles is that if Hamas actually had a successful strike, Israel would flatten Gaza (even more.)

Perhaps it's actually an Egyptian group, they have easy access to the smuggling tunnels--who knows? We won't get the truth here, everything will be blamed on Iran.

[tsetsefly]

I would like to pose a question to everyone here who is pro Hamas, what in your opinion should the solution be with Israel and the Palestinians?