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    Quote Originally Posted by squarepusher View Post
    Hamas fires rockets from densely populated civilian centers, using civilians as 'human shields' so any retaliation will have civilian casualties. Are they not allowed to be faulted for being responsible for the death of their own peoples? Hamas charter says they want to destroy Israel, should Israel not be able to defend itself?

    History being as it is, besides the point, Israel built up the area from nothing but a sand dune to a thriving 1st world civilization today. People say Israel stole the Palestinian land but it was nothing before besides dunes and scarce inhabitants. Maybe the 'Palestinians' were there before Israel, but Israel was there thousands of years ago before them. Arguing the 'whos first' point is going to be fruitless as the borders and boundaries change throughout time. That being said Israel has really developed the area into a modern thriving entity, "Palestine" has no industry and is a 3rd world nation with no resources. Why do you support them? If they stopped attacking Israel I bet they would no longer be attacked in retaliation.
    That's how they have to fight, due to the vast, vast differences in the armaments of both peoples. The Palestinians don't even have an official military. How else do you expect them to fight?
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    ‘Flatten all of Gaza’
    John Glaser, November 19, 2012
    http://antiwar.com/blog/2012/11/19/flatten-all-of-gaza/

    For those that haven’t seen it, a piece in Jerusalem Post by Gilad Sharon (Ariel Sharon’s son) grabbed some attention over the weekend. In it, he essentially argues for annihilating Gaza and its inhabitants.

    First, he denounces the worry about civilian casualties, arguing that by virtue of being Palestinian, Gaza residents are guilty and are worthy targets.

    The desire to prevent harm to innocent civilians in Gaza will ultimately lead to harming the truly innocent: the residents of southern Israel. The residents of Gaza are not innocent, they elected Hamas. The Gazans aren’t hostages; they chose this freely, and must live with the consequences.
    And then mass murder:

    We need to flatten entire neighborhoods in Gaza. Flatten all of Gaza. The Americans didn’t stop with Hiroshima – the Japanese weren’t surrendering fast enough, so they hit Nagasaki, too.
    There should be no electricity in Gaza, no gasoline or moving vehicles, nothing. Then they’d really call for a ceasefire.

    This can be compared to the comment by Israeli Interior Minister Eli Yishai on Saturday: “The goal of the operation is to send Gaza back to the Middle Ages. Only then will Israel be calm for forty years.”
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    Well, it's from The Blaze. Take it for what it's worth.



    Iranian Arms Ship Bound for Gaza Reportedly Carrying Long-Range Rockets Able to Reach Tel Aviv, Jerusalem

    http ://www.theblaze.com/stories/iranian-arms-ship-bound-for-gaza-found-carrying-long-rage-rockets-able-to-reach-tel-aviv-jerusalem/
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    Quote Originally Posted by squarepusher View Post
    Hamas fires rockets from densely populated civilian centers, using civilians as 'human shields' so any retaliation will have civilian casualties. Are they not allowed to be faulted for being responsible for the death of their own peoples? Hamas charter says they want to destroy Israel, should Israel not be able to defend itself?

    History being as it is, besides the point, Israel built up the area from nothing but a sand dune to a thriving 1st world civilization today. People say Israel stole the Palestinian land but it was nothing before besides dunes and scarce inhabitants. Maybe the 'Palestinians' were there before Israel, but Israel was there thousands of years ago before them. Arguing the 'whos first' point is going to be fruitless as the borders and boundaries change throughout time. That being said Israel has really developed the area into a modern thriving entity, "Palestine" has no industry and is a 3rd world nation with no resources. Why do you support them? If they stopped attacking Israel I bet they would no longer be attacked in retaliation.
    You are sadly mistaken. fertile farm land was there already
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    i don't believe the human shield story. May as well say Israel does the same thing.
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    “We obviously knew there were journalists in the building” army spokesperson Avital Leibovich told the press today
    http://12160.info/page/israeli-spoke...horten_twitter

    In reference to the Journalist tower destroyed yesterday.


    © Majdi Fathi / APA images)
    A Palestinian journalist inspects his car after an Israeli air strike targeted a media building in Gaza City, 18 November.


    "The Israeli army bombed Al-Shoroq Tower (or the "Journalists' Tower") in Gaza City. The 15-story building housed both local Arab and international media agencies such as Al Arabiya, Al Quds TV, Sky News, France 24, and Russia TV. Local media sources reported that eight journalists were injured in the initial attack. According to [Palestinian human rights group] Al-Mezan field reports, building occupants later received warnings about the Israeli army's intent to demolish the entire building, and were told to evacuate."
    http://www.sott.net/article/253804-I...alists-in-Gaza
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    Quote Originally Posted by JK/SEA View Post
    i don't believe the human shield story. May as well say Israel does the same thing.
    It's been alleged that this is how targets are being chosen:

    http://digitaljournal.com/article/337106
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    Quote Originally Posted by RockEnds View Post
    It's been alleged that this is how targets are being chosen:

    http://digitaljournal.com/article/337106
    From that link:

    Three weeks ago, King Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa Al Thani became the first foreign dignitary to visit the besieged Gaza Strip in five years following the Hamas government take over, and the embargo that has followed. However according to Fars News Agency, the Emir did not come empty handed. The Hamas members he met with received ball point pens and watches, however it may have been best if the Hamas officials had looked the gift horse in the mouth. According to Fars News Agency the pens and watches were implanted with tracking devices which beamed the locations of the commanders to Israeli satellites.

    On November 14th the alleged ruse paid off, the Israeli Air Force was able to assassinate Hamas military commander Ahmad Al Jabari and his bodyguard. This assassination was followed by the killing of Ahmad Abu Jalal, a field commander of the Ezzedeen Al Qassam Brigades, on Friday.

    Qatar admitted last month to sending hundreds of troops to Libya to aid western backed rebels in overthrowing Muammar Ghaddafi. The Qatari government has also provided training and logistics to rebels fighting the regime of Syrian President Bashar Assad, many Hamas leaders are in exile in Damascus.

    Read more: http://digitaljournal.com/article/337106
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    Gotta blow up the media...no witness no crime
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    My hunches are confirmed in the following article: here

    US foreign aid is guaranteed under a constant war footing, peace is not in the interest of Israel's politics of foreign aid. Case in point: Iron Dome was a gift from Obama. Had there been a peace agreement in place this would not have happened. If by chance a peace agreement ever came to be, US foreign aid would come to be seriously questioned. The more war and conflict there is, the more aid money and its long term securitzation.

    If the US even hints at not paying Isreal its money, you know who gets it.

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