Like I said before, hating Israel is not part of a non interventionist foreign policy, nor is it part of liberty.Originally Posted by angelatc
Like I said before, hating Israel is not part of a non interventionist foreign policy, nor is it part of liberty.
How about the issues we have no control over. We can cut off funding to Israel but we can't tell Israel how to conduct it's military affairs, unless you want to violate the principal of non intervention.
Seems like every other thread there is someone telling others what they should and should not post. The next election is 4 years away, and I couldn't give a shit less what an easily offended GOP Joe Blow thinks about my forum posts.
I've openly taken the side of Palestine due to my own morality--I'm pretty sure Angela has NEVER stated that she hated Israel (nor have I, for that matter.) And you do not determine what is and what is not part of liberty. Thankfully, since Palestinians have been in bondage since 1948.
If you want to stop sounding like a fool, you need to drop this politically correct bullshit--it's dishonest and immoral.
Nor is telling people how they should feel about any particular subject.Like I said before, hating Israel is not part of a non interventionist foreign policy, nor is it part of liberty.
I believe a more reasonable conversation would be to discuss whether it's reasonable to dislike Israel in the same way that people might dislike ethnic supremacist driven, authoritarian governments that use violence to antagonize their neighbors & draw the US into violent conflicts.
I don't believe anybody here is suggesting that the US should actively take the Palestinian side on this conflict.
Suggesting that people should withhold their feelings and thoughts about Israel and its history is (yawn) yet another attempt to obscure the free exchange of ideas.
Last edited by furface; 11-18-2012 at 09:12 PM.
Yeah, and when that happens, I'll stop bitching. Unless of course, Israel nukes someone. Then I think I'll be downright pissed at them.
Apparently the British Chief Rabbi thinks this may go past the Palestinian problem...when he doesn't think he's on the air, that is.
In this world nothing is certain but death and taxes.
I took the side of the Jews during WWII--because imprisoning, stealing, murdering and using people is wrong. Just as I took the side of the slaves and the Native Americans.
So when a few select people take umbrage at me using "strong language" in this and other threads--I ask you, have you put yourself in the shoes of the Palestinian people? Have you researched the actual facts regarding Israel's creation? Have you considered what you would do if your own child was a casualty of this "conflict" that should not be a conflict?
I do not care one whit for any religious belief when it attempts to make these things okay, because in my view--that is the antithesis of Christianity. It is the antithesis of morality--I do not care if you think it will bring back Jesus, because in my view, if Jesus is who you think he is, he will smite you for supporting such things. Prince of Peace, right?
If you think this makes me an anti-semite, you are as dumb as a bag of hammers--or you are spouting Hasbara.
I know this--if someone were to kill my child or a member of my family due to this sort of bullshit, it would be my life's work to make sure that those responsible paid the price. I am not Jesus, and I do not forgive such an incredible transgression.
The Ten Commandments apply or they don't, right?
If the Israelis can steal, murder, abort babies, covet and do it with the protection of American "Christians"--then why would I ever consider them legitimate? I don't care about ridiculous stuff like keeping Sharia law out of the US--and all this warfare does is bring (ironically) more Muslims to the US, so idiots like Peter King can scream like a twat about them, without ever seeing the underlying reasons that they're here in the first place.
Doing and supporting immoral actions has repercussions, it's a lot like karma. Think your choices through.
stop with that crazy talk...they are beyond reproach!!
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I am personally not going to take a "side" as if it were a spectator sport. These groups of people have been going at it for decades over many issues. I think it has the potential to start another major Middle East conflict, if not world war. And I either want it to happen quickly, or not at all. And by taking sides, I feel it just adds to the hatred spewing about.
People need to understand that it's the government of Israel, not the people of Israel themselves, fighting. I'm sure the people of Israel want peace much like the untainted (those not warped by Hamas) Palestinians do, perhaps just by different measures, if anything. Of course, this doesn't speak for all, but, I know there are pockets of people within the population that wish as much.
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