I believe the rhetoric you hear in these forums is aimed not necessarily on Israel but rather at the influence of AIPAC and its corrupt effects on foreign policies and debate within this country. I can't speak for others on here but that is what I sense from listening to Ron talk about "entangling alliances."Originally Posted by Traditional Conservative
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I'm opposed to AIPAC as well, because I don't believe that we should allow a lobbying group from a foreign country to dictate our country's foreign policy. If I were a member of Congress, AIPAC would probably hate me. But, I separate my opposition to entangling alliances from how I personally view Israel. I don't have any problem at all with Israel on a personal level. I'm simply opposed to giving out foreign aid to any country, because I view it as a form of income redistribution. The people who are fans of Israel should donate their own money to them voluntarily.
I am not picking on you at all but I think this comment makes an interesting point. When topics like foreign aid and alliances come up, you always hear the ubiquitous "including Israel" clause. This usually turns into "even Israel"! Are these clauses really necessary when America is discussing foreign policy issues? Last time I checked, Israel is still a foreign nation. Yet if you lump them into the "all the rest of the world" category in political discussion here in America, you are somehow personally full of hate or an anti-Semite unless you say, "including Israel."
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I wasn't necessarily trying to tie the two together directly, although I can see how it probably looked that way by my previous post.
I was more referring to the idea that someone looking to expand their own personal knowledge needs to be open minded about ideas that are contradictory to what they've always "known." My point was that if someone is so closed minded to hearing the opposing side of an Israel-Palestine argument, they probably weren't going to come around to many of the liberty related issues on this forum.
I suppose thinking that way probably isn't beneficial to our goals, but that's simply what I've been encountering latey.
Zionism is a virtual disease that spreads among people with low resistance to hypocritical ideas. I'm serious. It spreads very much like diseases do affecting the weak more than healthy people. It's worth studying it as such because it will tell us a lot about how destructive ideas can take hold of society and wreck havoc on them.
Not to mention the British Empire already collapsed. We don't have to point out how they're a bunch of greedy, violent land.resource grabbers because the sun already set on the British empire. Instead, we get to use their past as an example of how not to conduct foreign policy.
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This is simply a lie. For starts, the Muslims have no weapons to give up. And the targets that Israel is choosing are not military targets. How can anybody look at the land that Israel has illegally occupied over the last 50 years, and decide they're the victims?
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The difference between the State of Israel and the people of Israel is critical. The State of Israel are a bunch of thugs, terrorists and murders. The people who are abused under this rule are probably pretty good people I'm sure.
The oppressors who operate the state are not the ruled...They are the rulers who are the cowards, knaves, murders, liars, thieves and the general immoral decay of humanity. When people are saying Israel this and Israel that they are meaning the rotten compost that resides over all of us that decides to murder and steal at will. The state is not the peace loving people who make up the slaves under these crooks.
Separation of cancer and healthy cell is critical.
The same goes for the Palestinians...Their state apparatus is no different. But the fault of the current war resides in the first expropriations of life and property. This can be clearly drawn back to the foundation of the state of Israel.
Saying that both sides are responsible is the same as saying thier is no agressor, which happens to work very well for the state of Isreal.
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Do not pretend you haven't seen these videos pasted in this thread. You will not be taken seriously until you watch them. Israelis are occupying terrorists. Gaza is a concentration camp. Pure and simple.
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JFKIII, just how many threads are you going to post those videos in? You do realize that just because something is in a video, doesn't make it factual, right?
"We do have some differences and our approaches will be different, but that makes him his own person. I mean why should he [Rand] be a clone and do everything and think just exactly as I have. I think it's an opportunity to be independent minded. We are about 99% the same on issues." "People Try To Drive Wedges Between Rand And Me." --Ron Paul
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