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    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    Are there sanctions on honey, sugar, and cement for the Cherokee?
    Are there American settlements being taken from the reservation and housing being built on them for white Christians only?
    IS there a big long guarded fence, and kill zone, surrounding the Cherokee reservation, with guarded entry ways where every Cherokee that wants to work outside of the reservation must wait in line hours each day to be patted down and given clearance by American Soldiers?
    In the 19th century, it wasn't really all that different, obviously there were technological limitations then.

    One major difference is that Israel and Palestine are enemy nations. Long guarded fences, sanctions and kill zones are common along borders between enemy nations. Look at South Korea/North Korea, India/Pakistan, India/Bangladesh, Sudan/South Sudan, Cambodia/Thailand, DRC/Angola, Ethiopia/Eritrea, Venezuela/Columbia, etc. Each country feels the other is a threat to their national security.
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    Quote Originally Posted by awake View Post
    So your saying he was for bombing Iraq's nuke plant?
    Where did I say that? I was responding to someone who said Israel deserve condemnation. Israel deserve nothing from the government. Neither government aid, nor government condemnation. Same with Palestine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by compromise View Post
    Where did I say that? I was responding to someone who said Israel deserve condemnation. Israel deserve nothing from the government. Neither government aid, nor government condemnation. Same with Palestine.
    Ahh...Ok, my bad.

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    Can someone confirm that what started this new wave of violence was Israel's assassination of a Hamas leader?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon311 View Post
    Can someone confirm that what started this new wave of violence was Israel's assassination of a Hamas leader?
    Incorrect

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon311 View Post
    Can someone confirm that what started this new wave of violence was Israel's assassination of a Hamas leader?
    Low level "skirmishes" have been going on for practically forever. But the assasination greatly raised the level of responce and violence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by compromise View Post
    In the 19th century, it wasn't really all that different, obviously there were technological limitations then.
    Oh, I could have sworn your post was used in a present tense manner for greater misleading impact.
    Hey, look:
    Just as the Cherokee Nation is a concentration camp occupied by Oklahoma..
    Is that the word "is" I see?
    Are you going to try and tell me it depends on what the definition of "is" is?
    Or wait, your fingers slipped, and you meant to type "was" right?
    Because now you are talking 19th century all of the sudden, when called out on your BULLSHIT.

    Nice attempt at a fast one, there slick, but you didn't fool me.

    One major difference is that Israel and Palestine are enemy nations.
    No, Palestine is not a nation, America and Israel will never allow it to be. It is an occupied territory.
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    The arguments over who started it are totally irrelevant, because the very existence of Israel is an attack on the basic human rights of the Palestinians. The fact of the matter is Hamas is extremely passive in the face of Israel, but they are perfect since they also cast the "Islamist" aura which scares all the westerners unlike the PLO which was seen as the face of resistance for some time.

    Hamas actively arrests (and executes!!) people serious about fighting the Israelis, but this wasn't enough. They played nice which the Israelis, maybe it's time they don't anymore.

    BTW I'm pretty sure Hamas' rockets don't even have exploding heads, they just sort of land and break a couple bricks, which is why in any confrontation only like 10 Israelis will die despite hundreds or thousands of these toy rockets being hurled across the border. Hamas also has no incentive to fire rockets at Israel unless Israel transgressed first, I mean duh... that's like asking to die.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    What I have viewed/heard on http://wwitv.com/

    This all initially started with a couple Israeli solders shot a child. Then it all escalated... Israel says it started by rocket fire from Gaza.

    Mohammed Omer reported from Gaza said that the Hamas leader just received the final drafts for a continuous truce, as well as the proposed deal for a permanent peace treaty. recently, reported that Israel is now launching attacks from sea.

    Funniest of the US garbage shows reporting: CNBC the Kudlow Report, he and his guests, "IRAN is bombing Israel. All the bombs are from Iran... etc etc."

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    Why do we care what Israel or the Palestinians do to each other to resolve their conflicts? People need to stop meddling with other people's sh*t. Let the strong survive, and let the weak be decimated. Protect yourself, your family, and fight for your country, forget about this crap. Most would be terrified if I was Netanyahu. This crap has nothing to do with borders, or rights, or freedom. This has everything to do with religion. Rationality has no place in this conflict. Let one side wipe the floor with the other, and lets all move on. This escalation every few years is getting old, really old. Defending one side over another is infuriating and nauseating at the same time. LET THEM FIGHT, they've been doing it for thousands of years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by compromise View Post

    One major difference is that Israel and Palestine are enemy nations. Long guarded fences, sanctions and kill zones are common along borders between enemy nations. Look at South Korea/North Korea, India/Pakistan, India/Bangladesh, Sudan/South Sudan, Cambodia/Thailand, DRC/Angola, Ethiopia/Eritrea, Venezuela/Columbia, etc. Each country feels the other is a threat to their national security.
    ???
    How did they become enemies..
    Palestinians,, (Christian,Jew and Arab) lived peaceably for the most part till Zionists invaded/infested the area.

    As with ALL those other countries,, outside instigation is the cause of the fighting.

    Israel has only existed since 1948,,, and has been stirring shit the whole time.
    The Zionists started shit in the late 1800s when they came into existence.

    They are a curse on the Jewish people and the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jlasoon View Post
    Why do we care what Israel or the Palestinians do to each other to resolve their conflicts?
    Because our Foreign Policy and many domestic issues are directly tied to Israel. Israel Lobbies exert considerable and undue influence on our politicians.
    And a third World War will have dire and direct consequences on life here.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jlasoon View Post
    LET THEM FIGHT, they've been doing it for thousands of years.
    No. No they haven't.
    Zionism has not been around for 200 years. And Palestine was peaceful for the most part for a thousand years before Zionism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    No. No they haven't.
    Zionism has not been around for 200 years. And Palestine was peaceful for the most part for a thousand years before Zionism.
    Peaceful for the most part? LOL. Get out of here. Your bias is glaring. Both sides have their religious nuts. LET THEM FIGHT!!! Intervention is futile. If you've never been to that part of the world, I would suggest you keep your mouth shut.

    This goes beyond Zionism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    He is against using the state as a mouth-piece to 'condemn' something or a nation in the name of the people, instead individuals should condemn the actions of governments and such.
    It’s not interventionist for congresspersons to criticize a state for bombing another country, especially when the bombing was done with weapons their state provided it.
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    Interesting thought....

    The nation of Israel believe that it is their 'right' to hold ancestral lands and that America should help them secure it.
    America, as a union, holds the lands that are ancestral to the native Americans.
    If we support Israel, economically and with munitions, should we not support the Native Americans in the same way?
    Would we object if other nations did?

    Things that make one go..hmmmm?
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    Quote Originally Posted by robert68 View Post
    It’s not interventionist for congresspersons to criticize a state for bombing another country, especially when the bombing was done with weapons their state provided for it.
    Yes, when you look at what commenced this bloodshed, it was Israel's state apparatus that broadcasted the assassination of the HAMAS leader, like boasting their technological superiority at squashing ants in a video game. Weapons funded by stolen money from American taxpayers. This genocide on people creates security and safety repercussions here in the US. We are viewed as the enablers that armed the psychopaths ruling Israel that murder and imprison Palestinians.

    US corporate media has been in full out warmongering retardation, along with GIYUS MEGAPHONE propagandizing every piece of social media/www dialog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Interesting thought....


    Things that make one go..hmmmm?
    Not to those who know and respect the actual facts.
    Last edited by robert68; 11-16-2012 at 07:40 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenBowman View Post
    Pretty dumb to declare open war against someone 100x stronger than you.

    BRB challenging Mike Tyson to a boxing match, crying when I lose saying its unfair.
    Thats why you dont challenge him to a boxing match. You challenge him to never sleep, and when he does you slit his throat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by androidappme View Post
    The Russian government has propaganda objectives. Talking against Big Government and Oligarchy and Fascism and Socialism and Communism and watching RT or Al Jazeera sounds weird.
    What is sad, is that RT and Al Jazeera are more fair and unbiased than our corporately controlled media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by compromise View Post
    While this may not have been the best way to do it, Israel has a right to deal with national security threats. Hamas are a major national security threat to Israel and should be tackled appropriately.

    Israel may be far from perfect, but it's relatively tame compared to the sort of things that go on in other countries in the region.

    The United States should not condemn the actions taken by Israel. Nor should they be providing them with aid to fund things like this.
    yep, The Nazis crushing the jewish ghetto resistance in ww2 was a matter of national security as well.

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    America helping Israel hold on to stolen land from the Palastinians is like Russia helping the American Indians take back all of their land. The indians lost their land 200 years ago, the israelis 1000
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jlasoon View Post
    Peaceful for the most part? LOL. Get out of here. Your bias is glaring. Both sides have their religious nuts. LET THEM FIGHT!!! Intervention is futile. If you've never been to that part of the world, I would suggest you keep your mouth shut.

    This goes beyond Zionism.
    I can search history. Yes there have been empires. and the have had conflicts.
    And yes,,politicized religion have been used to soup folks up. There was nothing Christian about the Crusades,, It was about empire expansion.

    The fact is,, that was a relatively peaceful area before the Zionist movement in the late 1800s. It was getting violent in the 1900s as The same forces pushed 2 World Wars (Rothschild Empire). There was a full blown Zionist invasion in the 1930s with aid from Nazi interests.

    These are verifiable facts. Zionism is National Socialism (by definition), It is not Judaism. The founders of Zionism rejected Judaism and rejected God, and only use it as a political tool.



    I would suggest you educate yourself.
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    This is turning out to be an interesting conflict. The Palestinian rats have been busy since Israel last got their willies out on Gaza. Considering rats hanging around in places they've dwelt for thousands of years, I'll pick the local rats over the newcomer wolfs every time. PressTV is reporting a downed Israeli F-16. Whether it's true or not, it raises lots of question, not the least of which is what is happening to the anti-aircraft equipment America & allies are giving to Syrian rebels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amy31416 View Post
    First, on Monday, November 5th, Israeli forces shot and killed 23 year old Ahmad Nabhani when he “approached the border fence with Israel.” According to at least one account, Nabhani was mentally challenged.

    Read here: http://antiwar.com/blog/2012/11/11/i...ho-started-it/
    Now why does that sound so familiar? Militarized police killing innocent people under dubious circumstances? Circular force continuum? How many Palestinian dogs are getting shot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    How many Palestinian dogs are getting shot?
    The Zionists consider them all dogs.
    "[The Palestinians] are beasts walking on two legs."
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    The Zionists consider them all dogs.
    Shhhh..... Americans aren't supposed to know that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NOVALibertarian View Post
    Gaza under attack by Israel

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    I would suggest you educate yourself.
    If you haven't been to that part of the world "SHHH". Your argument reminds me of stupid Democrats who blame our economic woes on George Bush. Yes, he may of helped in the destruction, but the reality is that 100 years of Fed policy has killed our economy.

    Like I said, you see Zionism, but I see religious zeal, the Crusades, the Muslim Conquests and everything in-between including the BOOK OF GENESIS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barrex View Post

    AND VICE VERSA!
    Too much anti-semitism within the Ron Paul faction. Don't you know that the poor Palestinians are simply trying to enjoy their hot cocoa and gum gum drops?

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