Is it true that there's a oil boom in North Dakota right now?

[Tpoints]

Well, my question actually is this : does such a boom bring in more jobs than the oil jobs themselves?

Construction for new houses, food and catering, education, entertainment, transportation, IT infrastructure, city planning...etc.

Why aren't we hearing about this more as a solution to unemployment? Is it because it's not there or not big enough?

Surely, if it was so promising, the employers would advertise in highly unemployed areas to recruit people, right?

Can ND be another Free State project target?

[deadfish]

Yes, the boom is real. And yes, the boom-industry is real too. Once the upfront-drilling and construction of infrastructure is in place, jobs will taper off. We are hearing about it as a solution for unemployment, but these are often skilled labor jobs so they're not going to hire just any average Joe. Employers probably use headhunter firms and contract with various smaller firms and relocate them to the area.

I'm by no means an expert, just some dude on the net. I would argue that these things are happening, but the effect is only seen at the margins. (As with all economics)

[Confederate]

Well, my question actually is this : does such a boom bring in more jobs than the oil jobs themselves?

Yes.

Construction for new houses, food and catering, education, entertainment, transportation, IT infrastructure, city planning...etc.

Yes. Regarding entertainment, there are a lot of stripper jobs up there. Or so I hear.

Why aren't we hearing about this more as a solution to unemployment? Is it because it's not there or not big enough?

A solution to unemployment? How? There isn't oil everywhere and there's only a finite number of jobs created. It's not like Obama can sign an executive order and massive oil reserves will suddenly appear in Nevada where unemployment is highest.

Surely, if it was so promising, the employers would advertise in highly unemployed areas to recruit people, right?

I'm sure they have.

Can ND be another Free State project target?

Definitely. It's a small state, relatively republican/conservative, good economy, relatively rural, low taxes. Ron Paul did quite well there during their caucuses (but got screwed over at the convention). The fact that it's small could make it a very easy target.

[Tpoints]

Yes, the boom is real. And yes, the boom-industry is real too. Once the upfront-drilling and construction of infrastructure is in place, jobs will taper off. We are hearing about it as a solution for unemployment, but these are often skilled labor jobs so they're not going to hire just any average Joe. Employers probably use headhunter firms and contract with various smaller firms and relocate them to the area.

I'm by no means an expert, just some dude on the net. I would argue that these things are happening, but the effect is only seen at the margins. (As with all economics)

I can see that the oil jobs themselves require skill, connection and experience. But not so much for the "auxillary" ones, laundry, house cleaning, babysitting, car repair, restaurants...etc. I do want to know more details if anybody has some.

[Keith and stuff]

Can ND be another Free State project target?

ND was 1 of the 10 states voted on in the which state vote the FSP held. ND came in LAST by a good margin.

[Tpoints]

Yes.

Yes. Regarding entertainment, there are a lot of stripper jobs up there. Or so I hear.

A solution to unemployment? How? There isn't oil everywhere and there's only a finite number of jobs created. It's not like Obama can sign an executive order and massive oil reserves will suddenly appear in Nevada where unemployment is highest.

I'm sure they have.

Definitely. It's a small state, relatively republican/conservative, good economy, relatively rural, low taxes. Ron Paul did quite well there during their caucuses (but got screwed over at the convention). The fact that it's small could make it a very easy target.

thanks! do you know what "stage" they are at? As in, how much longer it'll last before it's either saturated with workers or oil is all sucked up?

Yes, there's always a finite number of jobs created, and that's my question, how many oil jobs can we expect to create?

Can we expect that for every 1 oil job created, there's 2 "non oil jobs" created to support the person's lifestyle?

[Tpoints]

ND was 1 of the 10 states voted on in the which state vote the FSP held. ND came in LAST by a good margin.

but obviously that was before the boom, which is relatively new news, right?

[Keith and stuff]

but obviously that was before the boom, which is relatively new news, right?

The boom makes it harder for folks to move to ND, not easier.

[Tpoints]

The boom makes it harder for folks to move to ND, not easier.

because it's short lived? or what?

[Ronulus]

We are hearing about it as a solution for unemployment, but these are often skilled labor jobs so they're not going to hire just any average Joe. Employers probably use headhunter firms and contract with various smaller firms and relocate them to the area.

I know guys that have possibly the lowest IQ out of people I know, and they have these types of jobs. You really do not need to be skilled as they provide on the job training in most places and most times have people that supervise and tell you what to do etc. There isn't that much skill involved in moving a part over, laying it on a pipe and then having the machine pick it up and you guide it down onto the other pipe. It's fairly simple really.